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Do you think about thinking?

edited December 2023 in Other

I wonder how many people never think about their thinking. I actually think about myself thinking about my thinking. What kind of a word is “thinking” anyway? I don’t like the sound of it, actually. Sounds like stinking. I prefer thoughts. That’s so floaty. Clouds of thoughts. Beautiful, unless they’re dark clouds with lightning bolts. I think I’m thinking too much, but gosh, I just gotta scratch that itch. There’s a Buddhist doctor nearby. Think I’ll pay her a visit.

Do you think about thinking? Just wondering (what kind of thinking is wondering? Is it worth doing?) I wonder. I wonder about parentheses, too. Do we really need them? Something to think about, anyway.

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  • It is the time of the year to think about all the thinking you should have done all year long but did not.

  • Yeah, it’s called meditation

  • Thinking too much. Thinking too much about my thinking. Thinking to much about what I think of my thinking.
    Being locked up inside myself might be the root cause of all that BS circular process.

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    @Pedro are you saying thinking about thinking is meditation? I thought meditation was not thinking about thinking.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @Pedro are you saying thinking about thinking is meditation? I thought meditation was not thinking about thinking.

    This is what I think.

  • @jo92346 i was going to mention this thread to you. I was fortunate to find Connie Crothers, my late improv teacher, to show me the way. Over the years I haven’t stopped thinking while I improvise, but I have practiced turning the volume down and kicking it to the corner of the room. That’s the best I can do with it. I know there are forces at work in you that make this thinking dream of humans very difficult.

  • @jo92346 said:
    Thinking too much. Thinking too much about my thinking. Thinking to much about what I think of my thinking.
    Being locked up inside myself might be the root cause of all that BS circular process.

    This sounds way too familiar.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @jo92346 i was going to mention this thread to you. I was fortunate to find Connie Crothers, my late improv teacher, to show me the way. Over the years I haven’t stopped thinking while I improvise, but I have practiced turning the volume down and kicking it to the corner of the room. That’s the best I can do with it. I know there are forces at work in you that make this thinking dream of humans very difficult.

    I’ll have to work on improvising.

    @MadeofWax said:

    @jo92346 said:
    Thinking too much. Thinking too much about my thinking. Thinking to much about what I think of my thinking.
    Being locked up inside myself might be the root cause of all that BS circular process.

    This sounds way too familiar.

    Not an enviable condition man.

  • It's the “infinity mirror” effect of thoughts and should be avoided if it’s possible. Alan Watts talked a lot about the subject. Meditation could help, but, yeah... 😳

  • I think so.

  • @Luxthor I think there’s a positive side to it. If you can think about the elements of your thinking that are not helpful… like reactive thinking where we go through the same thought routines our entire lives without ever examining them. We repeat narrative lines we learned as children. That’s why, I believe, religion, money, family, etc. has such a hold on us.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @Pedro are you saying thinking about thinking is meditation? I thought meditation was not thinking about thinking.

    Meditation means different things to different people. But I would rephrase that a little, it’s more like thinking about who is actually thinking

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @Pedro are you saying thinking about thinking is meditation? I thought meditation was not thinking about thinking.

    I’d say you’re both correct empty first, then later unbounded thought.

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    This is an excellent book on the concept of ‘self’:

    It is somewhat academic in approach, but a very interesting read.

  • gonna give it a serious try

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @Luxthor I think there’s a positive side to it. If you can think about the elements of your thinking that are not helpful… like reactive thinking where we go through the same thought routines our entire lives without ever examining them. We repeat narrative lines we learned as children. That’s why, I believe, religion, money, family, etc. has such a hold on us.

    Another positive side is that everything in the universe is about repetition, but every repeating instance is slightly different from the original. Funny thing: in music, if we remove repetition, we will be left with almost nothing. I’m very interested in that subject, just thinking about it (haha) got me inspired for some things I’m working on.

    But that’s about the physical world, I’m not sure about the conceptual one, like thoughts. It’s essential to the process of learning, as you said. But everything else is so individually based that we can only share experience and find similarities. 😅

  • @pedro said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    @Pedro are you saying thinking about thinking is meditation? I thought meditation was not thinking about thinking.

    Meditation means different things to different people. But I would rephrase that a little, it’s more like thinking about who is actually thinking

    For me, meditation is to turn off thinking but start to listen to abstract sounds from nature and to observe. Also, while I’m painting or making music.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    I wonder how many people never think about their thinking. I actually think about myself thinking about my thinking. What kind of a word is “thinking” anyway? I don’t like the sound of it, actually. Sounds like stinking. I prefer thoughts. That’s so floaty. Clouds of thoughts. Beautiful, unless they’re dark clouds with lightning bolts. I think I’m thinking too much, but gosh, I just gotta scratch that itch. There’s a Buddhist doctor nearby. Think I’ll pay her a visit.

    Do you think about thinking? Just wondering (what kind of thinking is wondering? Is it worth doing?) I wonder. I wonder about parentheses, too. Do we really need them? Something to think about, anyway.

    This is definitely the type of thread I need to be high to read so I can say "Whoa, that's deep man", rofl!

  • @LinearLineman It's a good sign to see people think at all 😄
    I find it interesting to look at what different people focus on, as that certainly influences both what they think and which conclusions they draw.
    Although a lot of great thoughts are what I'd call dreams.

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    “There is no good or bad but thinking makes it so.” Wm S, Hamlet

  • We were talking about this with some friends last week… I not sure that I consciously think about anything when I’m not specifically tackling a particular problem. Personally I think this is a good thing rather than bad. Even when, over the last couple of years, I’ve had two major health scares / issues I can’t say that I’ve worried about them, just not in my nature to think about anything. I do sometimes lie asleep at night trying to work out what instruments / notes etc I should be using in a particular piece but to me that’s just problem solving in the same way as I used to lie awake thinking of solutions in software design when I worked. The concept of thinking about thinking or practicing mindfulness leaves me bemused tbh.

  • edited December 2023

    Thinking about your own thinking is at the core of CBT, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I do it a lot. Its the foundation that helps you work to become a better person, and overcome any issues you might have in your life. It’s essential for recognizing, and then learning how to stop the negative thought process.

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    @Poppadocrock said:
    Thinking about your own thinking is at the core of CBT, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I do it a lot. Its the foundation that helps you work to become a better person, and overcome any issues you might have in your life. It’s essential for recognizing, and then learning how to stop the negative thought process.

    Exactly what I think. I would add that thinking about why we think the things we do is also essential for someone like me. Noah Yuval Harare, author of Sapiens discusses the myths, or inculcated narrative we live by and holds societies together both for good or bad.

  • @LinearLineman said:

    @Poppadocrock said:
    Thinking about your own thinking is at the core of CBT, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I do it a lot. Its the foundation that helps you work to become a better person, and overcome any issues you might have in your life. It’s essential for recognizing, and then learning how to stop the negative thought process.

    Exactly what I think. I would add that thinking about why we think the things we do is also essential. Noah Yuval Harare, author of Sapiens discusses the myths, or inculcated narrative we live by and holds societies together both for good or bad.

    Interesting, I’ll have to look that up.

    Agreed. I am very fascinated by human behavior, both my own and others, both individually and on a social level.

    Also once you put yourself in others shoes and into their head it really helps you understand why people might do the things they do, or act a certain way, etc… most problems, hate, issues, in our lives and in our world, stem from misunderstanding or miscommunication.

  • Now that I think about it, No.

    @LinearLineman said:

    Do you think about thinking? Just wondering (what kind of thinking is wondering? Is it worth doing?) I wonder. I wonder about parentheses, too. Do we really need them? Something to think about, anyway.

  • Yeah, I think a lot about my thinking and think often, often too much. I should probably meditate more and turn off the brain but I have a pretty active imagination

  • I guess Rodin was thinking when he was making the Thinker sculpture. Isn't this a completely new dimension?! ;)

  • Endless thinking is problematic and exhausting, but, thinking about what your thoughts routinely are and how you came to think them is a lot more productive, IMHO, especially if they cause pain, incomprehension and anger.

    OTOH, my partner says she doesn’t think about her own thoughts at all and cannot answer me if there’s a voice in her head that speaks her thoughts to her (I certainly do). That’s what made me post this thread. Oddly, she has a minor in psychology. When I asked her how could she study other people’s thinking without thinking about thinking… lol, she said it was a long time ago.

    I have to say that when I share my views on how people come to think about things like religion, politics, racism, family ties… that they are all stories put in her head by parents, teachers, society… well, let me say it just doesn’t resonate for her. She’s “happy” thinking like she always has. She doesn’t care to question where those ideas originated. Yet, those same thoughts often cause her to say “I don’t understand “ about other people’s behavior. If you understand that many people are just living by the myths they’ve been taught by others then their behavior is a lot more understandable.

    Gurdjieff, notable Turkish mystic, said people are asleep in life. They sleepwalk through it. Awakening takes a lot of work and sometimes awakening can cause a lot of pain in the process. Most people, IMHO, would rather just stay asleep. Was this a message of The Matrix, too?

  • @Luxthor, definitely an example of concrete thinking.

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