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Your Korg Gadget tracks using external audio

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  • @juanconcho

    Definitely falls into the abstract category, I can almost hear some of the more off the wall Gong / Steve Hillage in there somewhere, and that really does take me back. I can see it working well as a section of a longer piece, built around the main riff, with a more regular structure and the dropping into that catchy, disjointed beat.

  • @matt

    No, I haven't ... Tell me more.

    On Sector... How do you sync it to Cubasis and record the audio.. If you connect via AudioBus, you can't sync as it doesn't seem to receive MIDI clock. If you sync via IAA, you can't record as you need midi notes to track freeze the audio. Am I being stupid and missing something obvious?

  • Gong are from the same town I grew up in. I think.

  • @xen. With sector I've just been recording inside sector. The chopping to size in Audioshare (using the snap function). Sector will start recording when you got play.

  • @matt

    Yeah, I guess i will have to keep doing that. I was looking to sample direct into Cubasis to cut a step out of my workflow.

  • By the way @xen, I thought I should tell you this...

    I 'liked' your 'Restless' track in Soundcloud the other day. And so today I was driving and listening to some radiohead remixes and other released stuff on soundcloud and then of course Restless came on and I thought 'mmm, what's this... really hooky guitar loop - I really like this'. Then checked my phone and saw it was your track. I love that guitar loop.

  • @matt

    Thanks a lot, I really appreciate that, cheers :) Now if I can just get about 50000 other people to feel the same way I can finally quit my job and do this full-time!!

    Btw, had a night off - the drum and bass track is turning out a bit more challenging. I've got a bass line and a few sector variations of the Amen break, but I'm struggling to get a coherent track, rather than a disjointed collection of loops.

  • My gadget-made, Amen break DnB track is progressing ok. Hoping to finish sometime next week.

  • Hi. Gadget produced amen break Drum & Bass track finished. Feedback much appreciated:

    Lots of external audio imported into Gadget on this one. Without much trouble.

    IMini bells, Z3ta for the wobble bass (warped variously by Sector and also using the pitch in Bilbao) and big synth that comes for the last big section.

    Soprotron warped and mangled by Sector for the lead hook and also played backwards in Samplr for the risers.

    The gadgets I use are Miami for the pretty constant fuzzy Bassline, Dublin for a sub, Changmai for the pad and London for Drums under the break.

    Break is Amen sample from Sector chopped up, warped and filtered in Abu.

    Some effects and nasty sounds courtesy of GlitchMachines free sample packs, further processed by me. Vocal samples founds on Creative Commons and some field recording I did while in New York.

    How's yours coming on @xen??

  • @Matt - very nice. You've set the bar there for using samples in Gadget. Loads of variety, mix sounds good, i didn't pick up any clicks. How much time did you put in to get that together?

    What tempo was that?

    Mine is dragging. Work is demanding at the moment, coming to the end of a project in the next few weeks so the pressure is on, added to that I'm doing an assessment centre for a professional qualification in three weeks and I am way behind on getting prepped - something to do with writing tunes on the ipad whenever I can, rather than hitting the books. I've just about got myself motivated to focus on it this weekend, and then keep the momentum going until the next few weeks are done. So it's unlikely I'll get it finished before then.

    So far though, I've got three different gadget files with variations on the amen I programmed, along with some Miami and Dublin bass lines. I've imported a couple of vocal samples from some early 90s (1991) UK rave tunes that have potential. I've also programmed the amen into Bilbao using the built in samples (btw both iMPC and Gadget are a bit of a let down when it comes to ride cymbals) and played around with that under the imported Sector loops. But I've also got a Cubasis project I'm working on. I've sampled the break from the original Winstons track in Cubasis, matched the tempo and then taken the loop into Sector and upped the tempo to 172.

    From there I've got two 32 bar variations, using different sequencer, map and warps. I've brought them back into Cubasis, one panned a little left, the other a little right. Slightly different fx on each, with an iMPC track playing a slight variation of a 1-5-11-13 pattern in the centre. I've found a nice bass line using Micrologue and that's where I'm up to in that one. The next step is to chop the 32 bars to singles and bring them into Gadget to mix with the variations I've already got in there.

    I'm liking the way it's going, so I don't want to rush it, I'd rather get all the boring (but necessary) life stuff out the way so I can do a decent job of finishing it properly.

  • Good gadget complexity Mister Matt. Particularly like the start, has a slightly paranoid feeling which I have a weakness for.

  • edited October 2014

    Thanks both.

    Time taken - Mmm... Maybe 20 hours? That might be wildly off though.

    Tempo 175.

    Being critical it's maybe a bit hectic and unsubtle. But I did it as a part experiment in maximum warping, glitching, fx, samples and general chopping around.

    Glad you think the mix sounds ok. Just mixed by ear in Gadget. It's the weakest part of my skill set at the moment - I'm kind of just guessing what I should be doing using just volume and a bit of HPFs and LPFs on samples. I'm sure that shows.

    I also wanted to have a go at shaping some dubstep style rythmic wobbly bass modulation using Zeta, Sector and the pitch dials in Bilbao and I'm most pleased with that which can be heard in the 'drop' part of the track.

    @Xen - Take your time with your track and obviously prioritise things like earning a crust :). Look forward to hearing it when ready. Sure it will be great.

    @johnny. Paranoid is good in D&B right? It actually sounded to me when I listened recently, like someone is puking up at the start which is quite amusing.

  • Any danger of you ever sharing a track @JohnnyGoodyear?

  • edited October 2014

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Any danger of you ever sharing a track @JohnnyGoodyear?

    I certainly shall when I have something, you know, finished. Am still working on my reggae-tinged, drum 'n' bass, rock opera version of Pomp and Circumstance right now....

  • edited October 2014

    Hi.

    Latest track using lots of instances of the 2 new sampling gadgets. Kind of subdued, moody, minimal drum and bass.

    Feedback very much appreciated.

    Gadget synths:
    Dublin for the subby bass that comes in half way through then just a little bit of Miami, Chang Mai, and the chords throughout are a Marseille patch. Drums made in Tokyo apart from the letter box sounding snare that's London.

    External:
    Break from a sample loop, sliced and diced in Abu

    Reece bass sequence from Thor

    Lead patch 32 bar sequence at the end is from Z3ta

    Various vocal samples

    Had no problems at all with clicking when slicing and putting the audio sequences back together in gadget. I was amazed I didn't have issues with the lead from Z3ta because they are long notes with a lot of reverb - but it was fine.

    Used FiddleWax Pro and Midi Editor, as well as StepPolyArp for composing and playing external synths.

  • More good Gadgetry there Matt. You're getting pretty handy with the imported samples.

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Had no problems at all with clicking when slicing and putting the audio sequences back together in gadget.

    So far I didn't heard any clicks after mangling or rearranging other app's loops in Abu Dhabi. The more I use the both sampling devices the more I wish options for creating folders and renaming samples.

  • edited October 2014

    Yes that would be useful. But personally I find I bring in a completely new set of samples for each track.

  • Thanks Xen... you're too kind :).

    I'm getting the workflow down to a tee now. Record audio from any app, any length... slice, stick back together in Gadget.

    AudioCopy (with it's zoom and it's fade in/out) - which you have to go through anyway - is the best way to deal with any pesky clicks. You can then nudge the samples to overlap slightly in Gadget to hide the micro fade in/out at the start and end of clips. Works well. (Still annoying that Gadget doesn't allow longer sample clip lengths though!)

    What happened to your Amen break track? I was looking forward to hearing that? :)

  • xenxen
    edited October 2014

    On the Amen track, I needed to focus on work. I have a three day assessment centre for a professional qualification starting next Monday combined with the final stages of a project I've been managing for the last six months. Once I get sucked into a track I end up doing late nights and early mornings around work. This would have caused problems with the work commitments through October. I've got the break samples prepped in Sector and a few variations of the main bass line samples prepped in Cubasis. From next weekend I'll be able to put the required time in to get it all brought into Gadget and finish the arrangement, mixing etc. Any free time I've had in the last few weeks I've spent getting to know apps that I've picked up in the sales.

    On your track, I'm particularly impressed with the sample quality. Single shots into Bilbao aren't too bad, but I've been struggling to get clean slices in Abu. I've tried adjusting the regions but found it a bit fiddly and with drum breaks I was getting a bit OCD with the slight timing variations it was introducing.

    The first track i did (Sunrise) just worked first time, beginners luck I guess. I just need to spend more time working on it to get more consistent results.

  • Sorry - wasn't trying to nag on the track :).

    I don't use Abu that much (just for some vocal samples with silence between slices and the drum break). If the drumming isn't bang on quantised then I think Abu will click a bit but with my 2 tracks it hasn't been noticable because of the general break mayhem. If you play an individual slice you might notice it, but in the track you don't.

    I wouldn't bother moving the slices in Abu to try to correct it. There's just not the accuracy.

    You might want to try using Bilbao instead if you're getting clicking. Abu seems to do some weird stuff sometimes (possibly memory related) and also seems to slow the attack down on each slice even if you set attack and decay to zero. You can hear it if you put a continuous tone accross all the slices in Abu.

    Bilbao doesn't do this though. It just plays the sample then the next sample - simple as that (if you set decay to zero). So you just need make sure there's no click on the original sample (which is where I've been using the fade out / in in the audiocopy editor).

    I know Bilbao doesn't have the same amount of functions as Abu (e.g. Reverse, repeat, arp etc). But you can achieve these fairly easily in other ways in the piano roll or before you bring the sample in. So it might solve the problem depending on what you're trying to achieve.

    Anyway, good luck with work! Sounds intense.

  • Matt, nice tips, cheers. The thing I like about Abu is tthe xy pad for the fx. I like playing fx variations in live rather than always drawing controller curves, which is why I keep persevering with imported 4 bar loops.

    Don't aplogise for asking about the track. I appreciate the interest. Yeah, works a bit of a mare at the moment, but it'll settle down in a few weeks. Got three weeks off from the middle of December so I'll be able to crack on with the tunes. The beauty of now having the iPad is when we spend a week trawling the country doing the family visits through Xmas week I can keep up with producing music.

  • xenxen
    edited October 2014

    Double post

  • Totally agree on the X-Y pad thing. It's nice. I wish all the gadgets had this.

    My solution has been:

    A) quickly pluging in my korg nanopad and midi learning the gadgets effect dials to the xy pad on the nanopad.

    B) using my iPhone and the xy pad in MidiMe + appollo midi over Bluetooth into Gadget on my ipad.

  • Hardware mapping... I took delivery of an iTrack Dock yesterday and gambled that my cheap USB to MIDI adaptor would let me hook up to my PC DAW via my MIDI interface. The gamble paid off and it all works. Mapping the knobs on my various synths to Gadget dials is now an option, so I'll try more sampling into Bilbao. Good thinking, cheers.

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