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Guitar thru Ipad
Preface:
I have an older Ipad Air that I'd like to run guitar through with apps like Eventide Mangled Verb, Blackhole, etc. Already have the interface and cam connector and run audio out to a mixer.
The less complicated the better since I mostly jam and have plenty of keys and loopers for backing.
Main Question:
Is it necessary to run through something like AUM, Loopy Pro or other to engage the Eventide Apps or can apps be individually or chain selected to get audio output?
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To run through multiple effects, it is generally advisable to load the effects as AUv3 in a host app.
Chaining standalone apps that can act as Inter-App Audio effects (IAA) also requires a host .., and is more prone to problems.
When you say “older iPad Air”, which generation do you mean? There are big performance differences between each generation.
Thanks for that info! A1475 is the model so 2013-2014 year.
So host app would be something like AUM? Would some sort of Ipad mixer work too?
AUM is an iPad mixer. That is a first generation ipad Air. The last os version it runs is os 12.5.6. That may limit what apps you can buy as many apps require a later OS version. There will also be limits as to how many effects you can run without running into the CPU's processing limits.
Ah, ok. Wasn't sure if AUM was a mixer or DAW or if they are both considered the same. I'm on 12.5.7. Looks like the Eventide stuff should work from the tech specs. It says version 11 or later.
So is Audiobus a mixer too or a DAW? Sorry bout all the questions as I thought about doing this but just getting around to it.
They both look good as does Loopy Pro.
Audiobus is a mixer as is AUM. Aum is more flexible as a mixer. Loopy Pro can act as a mixer in addition to its abilities to record and play back audio.
You can try loopy pro free for a week and see if your iPad is up to performing with the plugins you want to use.
Audiobus is a mixer also, but less flexible than AUM. They are not DAWs. Check the App Store descriptions for specifics.
Thanks to you both! I've been a hardware user for guitar and really like the ipad possibilities. I'll probably rabbit hole this thing and see which Ipad footswitchers (which probably leads to another USB hub) to use while playing keeps my hands busy. The apps sure are a lot more affordable than hardware pedal effects and sound pretty good these days. As much as I like the physical pedals I like the Ipad as a simpler cleaner piece of technology. No more spaghetti cables!
I'm dedicating this particular ipad to the guitar alone, so, no other instrument sharing on it to keep CPU as good as it can be. I see posts about latency but I don't think that will be a problem in this case.
As an fyi, reverb and high-quality distortion/saturation and cabinet emulation may require more CPU than you might guess on an old device like that.
Good point.
I do have a 9th gen too that I am using with an Arturia controller for Moog and Mellotron, so, I could try using for both guitar and keys on it. The Eventide apps would be fun with the keys. Maybe even daisy chain the 2 Ipads (just brainstorming now) and run the time based rev/delay efx at the end on the 2nd Ipad. Could open a can of worms here. thats for another day
I have a nice tube pre/od as well as a couple other stomp boxs i was going to run in front of the Ipad. So it might be a hybrid of stomps and plugins and shrink the pedal board down. It should be fun to see the mix and match I can get. I hadn't planned on using cab emus or amp sims....yet
I have a Boss RC-10R looper that actually has @5 different amp and cab sims (Boss calls em filters) that is in my hardware mixer aux loop but the tube pre/od has a really nice sound to it on its own. (It's a SiB! Varidrive) I also have a 67 Fender Pro Reverb if I play amped. but, most of this will be for home studio jamming on headphones.
If it is dedicated to guitar effect you may want to look at a all in one guitar processor app such as
Hi, just wanting to point out a few other apps that are great for guitar. The Nembrini stuff is excellent, Rhino from AuroraDSP, the Lost in the 70s apps, ToneX, Mixbox, iFX Rack, and any of the tube saturators like WoodValvet, Valvesc and The Voltour.
As other mentioned, some of these can be processor heavy and even the ones that aren’t, once you chain so many it will start to give you issues so a newer iPad is recommended but not necessary for basic things.
But if you do go all in and decide to, there’s a base ipad and the new iPad mini, both under $450 and some good used deals out there.
Lastly if you get AUM, it comes with a handful of effects on its own. No reverbs or delays but more things for mixing and dynamics. Filters, EQ, gain, hard clip, panning, etc. Not super comprehensive but they come in handy especially if you’re just getting started.
@ecou @HotStrange Thanks for those ideas. I was looking at AUM for a mixer. Food for thought or.....just the munchies. Cheers!
Their is also BYOD that can be useful.
Also a all in one app MAY use less memory that you have very little on your older iPad .
Yes BYOD is excellent - and FREE!
I suppose it depends which way you want to go.
Will it be effects only? Or will it need amp/cab simulation? Will you be using typical guitar effects or trying anything, regardless of the typical use. I know you mentioned Blackhole but not sure how essential that is.
AUM - for me id the way to go if you just want to bend the hell out of the guitar signal with whatever you choose. And if you decide to do something more guitar typical you can do that as well.
Overloud THU et.al. - If you are just using it to replace typical guitar chains of effects one of the guitar amp/effect behemoth apps would do that job.
Yes AUM in combination with Audio Unit plugins and maybe a good midi floor pedal is the way to go. It’s extremely flexible and highly customisable. This is a good time now for playing guitar through iPad. Only its reputation is lacking a bit still. Well.. who cares..
My chain for a sweet Fender sound is this:
Nembrini Minotaur (coloured overdrive) -> Nembrini Tremolo -> Julien Faure Tone Deluxe (Fender amp) into:
1. Bus: Audio Damage Enso (looper)
2. Bus: Imaginando K7D (delay)
3. Bus: Audio Damage EOS 2 (reverb)
You can adjust and mix to your liking and assign any parameter to a midi controller.
I’m getting sweet tones out of that with a Tele and Les Paul. From blues to rock to ambient.
This is what it looks like (to get an idea):
But yeah you probably can get the same result in Audiobus or Loopy Pro. Both are brilliant apps too. I guess in Loopy Pro you’ll also have better looping capabilities than using Enso.
All good stuff. More than I thought about. AB and LP are both good, AUM seems to float to the top of my list at this point.
Thanks for those settings!