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What’s the Most Complicated Synth
What’s you guys thoughts on complicating synths when it comes to sound design. Mine is SynthScraper. That’s just too intimidating for me. MiRack looks it can be confusing at times, but I have more faith in that than SynthScraper.
Side note- If you wish, you can add non synth apps that are complicated for you if you want.
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Woodsynth, without a doubt. I never purchased it, because its GUI gives me anxiety, lol. 😂 Tera Pro is complex, but seems to be easy to use once one grok's its workflow.
I think I'd have to give that one to Drambo over miRack when it comes to building one's own synths in a modular fashion. The left-to-right signal flow restriction and attempted automatic patching are great for simple stuff, but get really hard to manage in anything complex.
I'm gonna go with iWavestation though for regular synths. I've just never been able to wrap my head around it.
I haven't tried the others mentioned though.
For me Drambo takes the "hardest" prize, but mostly because I'm still fairly new to modular.
Tera pro is the one that makes the least sense to me though. Adding and removing modules from their routing points instead of on the module directly is just maddening to me. I want to love it so bad but just can't. I CANNOT. 😵💫
Synthmaster was my first thought too.
Woodsynth is amazing but the UI brings it down for sure.
Confession: you all know how I can patch just about any synth. I can even do stuff using Shockwave whenever it’s not glitching …. But…
I can’t do diddly shit with Animoog Z ..: i still haven’t figured out how to initialize 😂
It tales very little frustration before I just bail on a synth… I just love a synth with great presets that expose its potential. Those synths also tend to get support from @Spidericemidas and others to increase the value without ever understanding how the synth is actually programmed.
The synths that break this pattern for me include: Drambo: most “patches” either don’t work or they show a pretty
boring synth. The most exciting Drambo patches are examples of programming the sequencing functions. So, for me… Drambo is a yawner but I understand it’s a true powerhouse for anyone that makes the effort to learn to control and program it). For that kind of experience, I play for MIDI programming in Mozaic with great results.
Any *scaper app leaves me scratching my head over the results just by poking presets and waiting for something… I must admit I get more execited by a classic analog synth sound than anything since. Still, I find Tera Pro presets that delight me in its range of historic synth processing model choices.
I do tend to love the excellent “sample set” players like AudioLayer (updated now with SF2 and Xinematics instrument uploads) and Decent Sampler (amazing instruments coming out of pianobook.co.uk). Beathawk and Module Pro are slowly being put aside for better options as they emerge like the General Sounds “Solo Trumpet” and other spot solutions like Roli Noise.
iVCS3. Not necessarily complicated but such a different approach to ‚normal‘ subtractive synths.
Esoteric Synth. It’s right there in the name.
PPG Infinite. Because Wolfgang Palm is a genius and I’m a dummy.
Esoteric Synth is kinda spooky and complicated, I feel like I’m summoning other worlds.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/esoteric-synth/id1454932009
Tardigrain - kinda hard to accomplish good sounds at times
Animoog - the import of wavetables and then setting them up in a 3d cube is time jolting
IWAVESTATION - just incredibly tedious and time consuming to make useful sounds that don’t sound like 80s tv arps
Kroenecker - just a weird synth anyways…and it’s not immediately obvious to me what’s gonna happen…but that makes it fun
Any PPG apps - it’s just presented to me so foreign as an idea
Tardigrain is just about remembering to key the samples right…
Animoog is about building the cube one day and presets from it later
IWAVESTATION is just not worth my time really, as I almost never use it…it’s more of its taunting me that gets me using it
Kroenecker - is just about me having time to further investigate
PPG apps - I will exclude wavemapper as I think it’s easy to approach
Good call! I forgot about that one.
Still, I've manage to get my head around iVCS3 whereas iWavestation seems just out of my grasp.
I’m probably cheating here but plugdata 😄
I feel like ID700 isn’t getting its due here 😂 Granted, the UI redesign did help make it more comprehensible.
Good call. That one is a clear leader in terms of how complex it is to predict what the effect of making changes is going to be on the sound. It kind of drives you rather than the other way around.
This is so true. I got almost all synths that have @Spidericemidas presets. Tweaking presets has helped me a lot to understand each synths depth and structure “the more easy way”.
I find Woodsynth very interesting, underrated, but too difficult to handle. Very few/short Woodsynth threads and vids.
@Spidericemidas , would you one day consider diving into Woodsynth? 😁
PPG Phonem! 🤯🤔
Yes, and I'd like to add the wonderful SynthScaper and Sunvox apps 😊
As a MiRack user, I find Drambo largely incomprehensible. Entirely my fault for not putting in the effort with it. But I like being able to see connections.
ID700 for sure, but I love the thing all the same. I just end up using the randomiser, then tweaking things hoping I improve things rather than destroy! Thing is, that approach works!
iVCS3 is confusing, though once you figure out the matrix and translate the terminology in your head it becomes clearer. I do tend to use it more for interactive noise/bleep patches than melodic stuff, though.
Esoteric synth - I have no real idea what I’m doing with it, but I like it a lot.
Some of the Alexey Nadzharov apps are a bit opaque, too. But wonderful in their own bonkers kind of way, despite being seriously heavy on CPU.
PPG Phonem! 🤯> @Bob said:
I don't have Woodsynth. The specs make it look very tempting, though! 😁
Audulus. Not hard to get a sound out of it, but patches can become exponentially more complex as you add functionality.
🤣 Phonem, Infinte and WaveGenerator are the unholy trinity of breaking my brain.
For me it’s ZedSynth. I remember reading about it on some forum and buying it instantly. I was just getting into iOS production and had never really used a soft synth before!
What are all these “PPG” synths? I can’t find a single thing on the AppStore.
No longer available anywhere. A company called Brainworx bought the rights to all of them a few years ago, but nothing has happened with them yet.
And I’m still salty about it. Wolfgang Palm retired and just like that his apps were gone.
Probably the code was too genius for them to handle. The man created wavetable synths as a concept.
Wow really? That's a great pity. I'll hang onto them all very carefully on my iPad then.
No one has mentioned Aparillo
Aparillo is easy. Everything is visible (for the most part) and dead simple to figure out.
But you have to figure everything out, none of it is standard or familiar. I still don't know what to do with the sequencer thingy. Modulation is bizarre, nearly every parameter is different than other synths.
I found this good: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/aparillo-sound-design-course/id1417366908
OT: Synthmaster, Tera Pro… I want to, but… I just can’t. They’re like a pause button for my brain. My loss, I know.