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Is any of this cheap new Chinese gear any good?

edited February 2 in Hardware

I have been looking for a new mixer and have noticed a flood of weird cheap Chinese mixers and other gear. Is any of it good? From the reviews I've read a lot of it sounds pretty good but breaks down quickly.

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  • Shop Amazon, not Temu. 😂 Kidding, kidding. But seriously, what site(s) are you using to find these strange mixers at?

  • wimwim
    edited February 2

    All I can say is I'm lovin' my M-Vave Chocolate footswitch. Great value, great build quality, rock solid performance. iOS/iPadOS config software. The software is a bit enigmatic, but works once you figure it all out.

  • @wim said:
    All I can say is I'm lovin' my M-Vave Chocolate footswitch. Great value, great build quality, rock solid performance. iOS/iPadOS config software. The software is a bit enigmatic, but works once you figure it all out.

    Yep, I have 2 of the mvave things, the mixer and the mini 25 key keyboard. I'm super happy with both, so far, they seem decent quality to me. I don't like having buttons for pitch bend, and I wish the octave switchers were one on each side rather than both on the left. It also seems impossible to rename the devices which can get annoying (I have 2 of the mini keyboards and their names are identical). Software for assigning midi could be better, but overall I am super happy with both of these and would recommend them for sure. Just hope they last.

  • edited February 2

    I own M-vave (AKA Cuvave) chocolate footswitch, SMC-mixer and just ordered their new 16-pad controller. Decent quality, some very minor issues, no regrets!
    Also I have a pair of Lekato WS-70 wireless guitar system (UHF) - no issues, low latency, no plans to change to something else.

    EDIT: I forgot about Legato PA-1 pocket phone guitar amp, which is also branded as Cuvave H8 :) Not the greatest sound (however, with custom-loaded IR sounds on the clean-side is quite ok for practice, but it costed me only $19 or so and has bluetooth connectivity for backing tracks.

  • edited February 2

    @Dante777 said:
    EDIT: I forgot about Legato PA-1 pocket phone guitar amp, which is also branded as Cuvave H8 :) Not the greatest sound (however, with custom-loaded IR sounds on the clean-side is quite ok for practice, but it costed me only $19 or so and has bluetooth connectivity for backing tracks.

    Thanks, this is interesting for me.
    I see a notice "Micro USB Connectivity for charging,**recording **and transmitting IR files." in the description, so let me ask you:

    Is it possible to use this Lekato as simple audio interface with FX processing on iPad? I mean this signal flow:
    Guitar -> Lekato (direct thru, no amp, no FX) -> iPad FX (standalone ampsim or AUv3 host with ToneX/TH-U/ToneStack) -> Lekato -> Headphones

  • @filo01 said:

    @Dante777 said:
    EDIT: I forgot about Legato PA-1 pocket phone guitar amp, which is also branded as Cuvave H8 :) Not the greatest sound (however, with custom-loaded IR sounds on the clean-side is quite ok for practice, but it costed me only $19 or so and has bluetooth connectivity for backing tracks.

    Thanks, this is interesting for me.
    I see a notice "Micro USB Connectivity for charging,**recording **and transmitting IR files." in the description, so let me ask you:

    Is it possible to use this Lekato as simple audio interface with FX processing on iPad? I mean this signal flow:
    Guitar -> Lekato (direct thru, no amp, no FX) -> iPad FX (standalone ampsim or AUv3 host with ToneX/TH-U/ToneStack) -> Lekato -> Headphones

    Not sure if it's usable as a decent audio interface. Vendor declares that is possible, but I had a bad experience trying that even on PC, but can't remember details. I will try to experiment with iOS during the weekend.
    BTW, I use IK iRig HD2 for this purpose.

  • I just folded on the temu offers, thought that less than fifteen notes for a dual guitar loop pedal was worth a punt…

  • @Dante777 said:

    @filo01 said:

    @Dante777 said:
    EDIT: I forgot about Legato PA-1 pocket phone guitar amp, which is also branded as Cuvave H8 :) Not the greatest sound (however, with custom-loaded IR sounds on the clean-side is quite ok for practice, but it costed me only $19 or so and has bluetooth connectivity for backing tracks.

    Thanks, this is interesting for me.
    I see a notice "Micro USB Connectivity for charging,**recording **and transmitting IR files." in the description, so let me ask you:

    Is it possible to use this Lekato as simple audio interface with FX processing on iPad? I mean this signal flow:
    Guitar -> Lekato (direct thru, no amp, no FX) -> iPad FX (standalone ampsim or AUv3 host with ToneX/TH-U/ToneStack) -> Lekato -> Headphones

    Not sure if it's usable as a decent audio interface. Vendor declares that is possible, but I had a bad experience trying that even on PC, but can't remember details. I will try to experiment with iOS during the weekend.
    BTW, I use IK iRig HD2 for this purpose.

    Thanks, I'm looking forward to your results. I use NuX Mighty Pro for this and there is one annoying thing - every time you turn on NuX, you have to set 100% wet in the app if you want to ouse it as interface. I also tried Vox I/O plug but it can only 44kHz and latency was higher that with NuX.

  • @wim said:
    All I can say is I'm lovin' my M-Vave Chocolate footswitch. Great value, great build quality, rock solid performance. iOS/iPadOS config software. The software is a bit enigmatic, but works once you figure it all out.

    I got one of these, too, recently, and am also loving it. Great sound for my guitar (I'm a novice with the guitar, but it makes me sound great), and I love the bluetooth functionality. I can get some backing tracks of drums, bass and synth running in NS2 on my phone, pipe it through the footswitch via bluetooth, and play along, all using headphones so I don't annoy everyone around me.

  • I have Topping Pro sound cards and a Hotone Stomp II guitar processor. Great devices.

  • @filo01 said:
    Thanks, I'm looking forward to your results. I use NuX Mighty Pro for this and there is one annoying thing - every time you turn on NuX, you have to set 100% wet in the app if you want to ouse it as interface. I also tried Vox I/O plug but it can only 44kHz and latency was higher that with NuX.

    Unfortunately, Lekato PA1 behaves way worse as an USB recording interface, sorry. I just receive horrible feedback if I insert any FX plugin in AUM. The same on PC with Reaper and ASIO4All drivers, so i DO NOT recommend it for your needs. The second connection mode (through 3.5 audio jack is even weirder - I can record but without monitoring processed sound. May be I'm doing something wrong, but if some hardware do not work on iOS by default, it's an alarming bell :smile:

    For standalone guitar practice with internal audio processing and backing Bluetooth audio it works as expected. One just has to have some time to tune presets and load custom cabs IR. And, of course, forget about hi-gain stuff :)

  • @Dante777 said:

    @filo01 said:
    Thanks, I'm looking forward to your results. I use NuX Mighty Pro for this and there is one annoying thing - every time you turn on NuX, you have to set 100% wet in the app if you want to ouse it as interface. I also tried Vox I/O plug but it can only 44kHz and latency was higher that with NuX.

    Unfortunately, Lekato PA1 behaves way worse as an USB recording interface, sorry. I just receive horrible feedback if I insert any FX plugin in AUM. The same on PC with Reaper and ASIO4All drivers, so i DO NOT recommend it for your needs. The second connection mode (through 3.5 audio jack is even weirder - I can record but without monitoring processed sound. May be I'm doing something wrong, but if some hardware do not work on iOS by default, it's an alarming bell :smile:

    For standalone guitar practice with internal audio processing and backing Bluetooth audio it works as expected. One just has to have some time to tune presets and load custom cabs IR. And, of course, forget about hi-gain stuff :)

    Thank you for your findings, @Dante777

  • The Baifeili C414 clones are epic.

  • @wim said:
    All I can say is I'm lovin' my M-Vave Chocolate footswitch. Great value, great build quality, rock solid performance. iOS/iPadOS config software. The software is a bit enigmatic, but works once you figure it all out.

    Where do you reckon the cheapest place to buy is. And if using a blue tooth device I don't need the extra cables/transmitter right?

  • @Ailerom said:

    @wim said:
    All I can say is I'm lovin' my M-Vave Chocolate footswitch. Great value, great build quality, rock solid performance. iOS/iPadOS config software. The software is a bit enigmatic, but works once you figure it all out.

    Where do you reckon the cheapest place to buy is. And if using a blue tooth device I don't need the extra cables/transmitter right?

    I got mine on Walmart.com. I don't know what country you're in though. Amazon is OK too, but not always the best prices.

    Recently I've had good luck using Temu for cheap stuff like this. You just have to be careful that you're selecting what you actually want. They're sometimes a bit slippery with how they present products. Temu has not let me down. I wouldn't trust AlliExpress with a 10 foot pole.

  • edited February 3

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  • edited August 14

    @Dante777 said:
    Also I have a pair of Lekato WS-70 wireless guitar system (UHF) - no issues, low latency, no plans to change to something else.

    Lucky man. I have it at home now and will return it ASAP. It has 2 issues, gating as described here: https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/wireless-guitar-systems.2440150/page-10
    and loss of high frequencies just like here::

    Tested with my Yamaha Pacifica 311H with SD SH-14 bridge pickup.

  • edited August 14

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  • @BroCoast said:
    The Baifeili C414 clones are epic.

    Late response to this, but the only things that has in common with a real 414 are the name and the shape. It’s cardioid only and it’s clearly an electret capsule. Electret capsules can sound good (the blue embers are electret mics, probably with that same capsule) but an akg 414 will sound very different.

    There’s an SE mic that is said to be a good 414 alternative, and also a few lewitt models. Austrian audio oc818 is an amazing alternative as well. I hear that the warm audio wa14 is also a very good version of the early 414’s. It has 3 patterns, rather than the full range that the 414 has. That may be true of the early 414’s though, I don’t know enough about them. Lewitt and Austrian audio are both run by former Akg designers, who departed in the Harman purge. Harman got sold to Samsung, so the future of pro audio gear from akg, soundcraft, lexicon, etc is not very bright…

  • @wim said:

    @Ailerom said:

    @wim said:
    All I can say is I'm lovin' my M-Vave Chocolate footswitch. Great value, great build quality, rock solid performance. iOS/iPadOS config software. The software is a bit enigmatic, but works once you figure it all out.

    Where do you reckon the cheapest place to buy is. And if using a blue tooth device I don't need the extra cables/transmitter right?

    I got mine on Walmart.com. I don't know what country you're in though. Amazon is OK too, but not always the best prices.

    Recently I've had good luck using Temu for cheap stuff like this. You just have to be careful that you're selecting what you actually want. They're sometimes a bit slippery with how they present products. Temu has not let me down. I wouldn't trust AlliExpress with a 10 foot pole.

    I’ve ordered quite a number of things from AlliExpress, relating to tech, music and gaming, only ever let down once, for which I was reimbursed.

  • edited August 15

    I got a plethora of m-vave from AliExpress and Amazon (Amazon offers extended warranty but will be more expensive all the way around)

    SMC-Pad, SMC-Mixer, 2x chocolate pedals, bottom end wireless guitar adapter, bottom end btmidi USB adapter
    (Wishlist has SMK 25 mkii and SMK 25 mini on it, but that's down the line) - connected with em on Facebook with early adopter questions (had one of the first in the US at the beginning of the year thru a fluke posting on Amazon. Two weeks shipping, but showed up on my doorstep just a couple of days after the official site went up with info, and the first one or two popped up on Ali Express. I was checking everything daily for a month to see literally any info, and there was nothing save for a single ad YouTube video) - so I'm a bit of a stan

    All function quite well with varying levels of quality build

    Chocolate is bar none the most unexpectedly well built cheap-ass hardware I've ever purchased. (Ok I lied, I have a 3rd chocolate for my dad when I can get him on board with iOS)
    It's built like a guitar pedal. Metal casing, clicky af (I like it, but understand why some wouldn't), and SOOOOO configurable (all from iPad too)

    Mixer and Pad are solid quality plastic, with mediocre controls all around - not a bad thing for budget. Still great for the price! For starter and mobile, you can't go wrong. Cheap enough to replace if you damage on (comparable to other options) and zero Bluetooth connectivity problems on my end (I don't do any venue playing so bt traffic is never anything I clock)

    Pads work VERY well (if a bit stiff) for finger drumming! Car pickup line at school for the kids? Throw on Jurassic 5 on the radio, load up a vintage trap kit on AudioLayer and jam along for 20min. Very satisfying!

    Mixer is my best friend for SWAM playing. With regular keys, it's a budget version of what the SWAM Ads show on YouTube

    I pair it with Launchpad X now, and with aftertouch of LPX, one step closer to mpe (but the Notes mode key layout just makes so much more sense to my fingers than a traditional piano layout) - Currently my absolute favorite way to play, so little concentration on where my fingers are. Just pure flow

    Also, both are completely configurable from iPad
    All 3 device's changes are handled thru the cubesuit app via bt or hardwire. Quick changes are absolutely doable on the fly

    Btmidi USB adapter & guitar wireless... Cheaaaap build but completely functional for My First Adapters®- and I'm glad I have them! But they will be upgraded with any kind of sustained use (guitar integration to setup is far back burner, so only minor use in the months Ive had em), but the bt-midi USB adapter... That's been daily, in the week I've had it soooo


    Speaking of which

    Btmidi to USB adapter question - the m-vave only routes one midi out channel to bt-midi, not a problem for most cases

    But for Launchpad X and Launchpad Pro, they have multiple out channels

    2 on LPX: DAW_Out and MIDI_Out

    3 on LPP (yeah you know me): same two, not familiar enough for the 3rd

    DAW_Out is for Session Mode
    MIDI_Out is for Notes and Custom

    Thankfully, it auto selects the MIDI_Out by default so I'm golden for the use case (not using session mode much yet)

    But I'd like the option

    Any bt-midi adapters that do multiple channels?

    And what benefits would I find in getting, say a $70 Yamaha adapter off Amazon over the $20 m-vave option?

  • @mrufino1 said:

    @BroCoast said:
    The Baifeili C414 clones are epic.

    Late response to this, but the only things that has in common with a real 414 are the name and the shape. It’s cardioid only and it’s clearly an electret capsule. Electret capsules can sound good (the blue embers are electret mics, probably with that same capsule) but an akg 414 will sound very different.

    There’s an SE mic that is said to be a good 414 alternative, and also a few lewitt models. Austrian audio oc818 is an amazing alternative as well. I hear that the warm audio wa14 is also a very good version of the early 414’s. It has 3 patterns, rather than the full range that the 414 has. That may be true of the early 414’s though, I don’t know enough about them. Lewitt and Austrian audio are both run by former Akg designers, who departed in the Harman purge. Harman got sold to Samsung, so the future of pro audio gear from akg, soundcraft, lexicon, etc is not very bright…

    Yep am aware of this.

    I still have some expensive mics (including a pair of old 414) and use the Baifeili all the time, no it’s not a 414 but it’s a really good mic. I’ll post pics of the capsule later, not bad at all. I’d 100% recommend it over something like a Rode.

  • @wim said:
    All I can say is I'm lovin' my M-Vave Chocolate footswitch. Great value, great build quality, rock solid performance. iOS/iPadOS config software. The software is a bit enigmatic, but works once you figure it all out.

    Yeah same here! Loving the M-Vave Chocolate footswitch. I'm using it tobtrigger pages left or right in Loopy Pro and for Tap Tempo triggering in Loopy Pro! What an awesome deal!

  • edited August 18

    M-Wave also has that WP-10 2.4-GHz wireless stereo digital audio pocket sender and receiver, with audio latency said to be under 12 milliseconds. Hear hear @SevenSystems ;)
    Has anyone tried it yet?

  • @rs2000 said:
    M-Wave also has that WP-10 2.4-GHz wireless stereo digital audio pocket sender and receiver, with audio latency said to be under 12 milliseconds. Hear hear @SevenSystems ;)
    Has anyone tried it yet?

    Upping this one. I'd never trust it on stage, but I'm tempted to try it as a jamming purpose at home !

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