Using the iPad as a control surface/DAW MIDI controller

richardyot

@kirmesteggno said:

@wim said:
You can add TouchOSC, Midi Designer Pro 2, Loopy pro to that list, among others.

I've removed Midi Designer because of predatory pricing strategies, they're converting one app purchases made in the past into subscriptions.

They've posted an explanation on their forum, but IMO their approach is complete BS:

https://mididesigner.com/qa/9856/what-about-me-i-paid-for-mdp2

The right thing to do is to launch a new app, and grandfather the old app for people who have previously paid. That'sa what any decent dev would do, and I've seen a few apps take this approach. It preserves goodwill. As a user you then have the choice to keep using the old app that you paid for, or upgrade to subscription if you need the new features or support on a new OS.

But what they've done is to lock old users out, unless they subscribe. Which means you lose the functionality that you paid for.

kirmesteggno

@richardyot said:

@kirmesteggno said:

@wim said:
You can add TouchOSC, Midi Designer Pro 2, Loopy pro to that list, among others.

I've removed Midi Designer because of predatory pricing strategies, they're converting one app purchases made in the past into subscriptions.

They've posted an explanation on their forum, but IMO their approach is complete BS:

https://mididesigner.com/qa/9856/what-about-me-i-paid-for-mdp2

The right thing to do is to launch a new app, and grandfather the old app for people who have previously paid. That'sa what any decent dev would do, and I've seen a few apps take this approach. It preserves goodwill. As a user you then have the choice to keep using the old app that you paid for, or upgrade to subscription if you need the new features or support on a new OS.

But what they've done is to lock old users out, unless they subscribe. Which means you lose the functionality that you paid for.

Either that or have a subscription that just doesn't provide updates when the subscription period is over, like Loopy Pro.

I guess they don't do it because they know that many would just use it on an old iPad once they're set and never update it. It's the kind of app that doesn't seem to be really compatible with a subscription model.

tyslothrop1

@kirmesteggno

Are you talking about midi poly grid? I don't know Xpress finger drumming, might look it up some time. I've used it mainly as a melodic controller to play synth in Ableton on my windows pc. What I like most about it is, that you can control cc74 and pressure per note at the same time via xy-pads. So I don't know if the Xpress finger drumming guy is the dev.

Anyway It's an app worth promoting by the dev and it's users. It's for iOS and android, too.
The developer has a thread here:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/54718/i-made-a-pad-based-midi-controller-app-with-mpe-support-open-source/p1

And if you're talking about Musikraken, great app, too. Don't know too much about it, yet. Just bought it a couple of days ago after watching the video in this thread:)

kirmesteggno

@tyslothrop1 said:
@kirmesteggno

Are you talking about midi poly grid? I don't know Xpress finger drumming, might look it up some time. I've used it mainly as a melodic controller to play synth in Ableton on my windows pc. What I like most about it is, that you can control cc74 and pressure per note at the same time via xy-pads. So I don't know if the Xpress finger drumming guy is the dev.

Yes, Xpress is the OG finger drumming channel on Youtube, and if he likes the app for finger drumming it must be decent. I watched one of his videos and he isn't the dev, but seems to be friends with the dev of the app.

I've watched his videos many years ago when I researched midi controllers for finger drumming back then, I guess I bought a Korg Padkontrol after watching this video:

I also own a MPD 218 and personally prefer the Korg Padkontrol. I'm also fine with finger drumming on glass, and probably will sell all the controllers soon.

I was using the NativeKontrol scripts for Ableton with the Padkontrol, but those are basically dead now since the dev abandoned them.

espiegel123

@richardyot said:

@kirmesteggno said:

@wim said:
You can add TouchOSC, Midi Designer Pro 2, Loopy pro to that list, among others.

I've removed Midi Designer because of predatory pricing strategies, they're converting one app purchases made in the past into subscriptions.

They've posted an explanation on their forum, but IMO their approach is complete BS:

https://mididesigner.com/qa/9856/what-about-me-i-paid-for-mdp2

The right thing to do is to launch a new app, and grandfather the old app for people who have previously paid. That'sa what any decent dev would do, and I've seen a few apps take this approach. It preserves goodwill. As a user you then have the choice to keep using the old app that you paid for, or upgrade to subscription if you need the new features or support on a new OS.

But what they've done is to lock old users out, unless they subscribe. Which means you lose the functionality that you paid for.

It irritates me, too. Fortunately, I knew not to upgrade when the new version released. I feel like they should have released the new version as a separate app so that one doesn’t inadvertently upgrade….and suddenly lose the ability to use features of layouts you already made.

richardyot

@espiegel123 said:

@richardyot said:

@kirmesteggno said:

@wim said:
You can add TouchOSC, Midi Designer Pro 2, Loopy pro to that list, among others.

I've removed Midi Designer because of predatory pricing strategies, they're converting one app purchases made in the past into subscriptions.

They've posted an explanation on their forum, but IMO their approach is complete BS:

https://mididesigner.com/qa/9856/what-about-me-i-paid-for-mdp2

The right thing to do is to launch a new app, and grandfather the old app for people who have previously paid. That'sa what any decent dev would do, and I've seen a few apps take this approach. It preserves goodwill. As a user you then have the choice to keep using the old app that you paid for, or upgrade to subscription if you need the new features or support on a new OS.

But what they've done is to lock old users out, unless they subscribe. Which means you lose the functionality that you paid for.

It irritates me, too. Fortunately, I knew not to upgrade when the new version released. I feel like they should have released the new version as a separate app so that one doesn’t inadvertently upgrade….and suddenly lose the ability to use features of layouts you already made.

I have auto-upgrade enabled, so it's too late for me, you can't roll back to the previous version.

wim

@richardyot said:

@espiegel123 said:

@richardyot said:

@kirmesteggno said:

@wim said:
You can add TouchOSC, Midi Designer Pro 2, Loopy pro to that list, among others.

I've removed Midi Designer because of predatory pricing strategies, they're converting one app purchases made in the past into subscriptions.

They've posted an explanation on their forum, but IMO their approach is complete BS:

https://mididesigner.com/qa/9856/what-about-me-i-paid-for-mdp2

The right thing to do is to launch a new app, and grandfather the old app for people who have previously paid. That'sa what any decent dev would do, and I've seen a few apps take this approach. It preserves goodwill. As a user you then have the choice to keep using the old app that you paid for, or upgrade to subscription if you need the new features or support on a new OS.

But what they've done is to lock old users out, unless they subscribe. Which means you lose the functionality that you paid for.

It irritates me, too. Fortunately, I knew not to upgrade when the new version released. I feel like they should have released the new version as a separate app so that one doesn’t inadvertently upgrade….and suddenly lose the ability to use features of layouts you already made.

I have auto-upgrade enabled, so it's too late for me, you can't roll back to the previous version.

I'm glad I saw this thread! I had updated, but had backed up the app earlier using iMazing and so was able to revert.
Auto-update enabled for a musician on iOS? That be bad, bad juju.

Think I'll just delete it though so I don't have that update staring me in the face forever. I'm fine with people choosing to go subscription, but changing the game for existing users without a big fat warning?? That's just not OK with me.

Discontinuing on principle. If their objective in doing this is "to get MD into the hands of as many users as possible", I think it's gonna backfire.

Hell, there are better options in many ways now anyway.