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Euclidean, Progressions, or, maybe the Lovers of Minimalist music thread.
I’m a big fan of Minimalist music.
I’m guessing most of you are probably familiar with this genre made famous by people like Steve Reich, Terry Riley and Phillip Glass.
It may not be everyone’s cup of tea but it’s great for generating new ideas and can help with writers block, you may even want to try your hand at a bit of Minimalist music.
Euclidean is very good for experimenting with Minimalism.
Here are a few ideas for getting into that style using the app.
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This is great Doug! Thanks so much.
When I first got Euclidean I was trying to do exactly this Glass/Reich/Riley type stuff but no one on here seemed to understand what I meant when I said I DON'T want everything locked to the grid!
Is the Poly Tempo mode a recent addition?
@thesoundtestroom
@thesoundtestroom - you familiar with this album?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=iB-5JHXJ4F8
Yeah, I totally missed when that was added too. Great demo!
@Kashi Poly Tempo was added about a year ago.
I have not heard that album before but, I’m listening to it now and it’s great.
I’ve always used a lot of Minimalist techniques in my videos to demo apps, but never really explained my love of the genre, it just lends itself to demos, especially in things like Loopy Pro.
My video from tonight digs a lot deeper into using Euclidean and also another of Paul’s apps, Progressions, for making Minimalist music.
I’m also working on a Gadget video, creating Minimalist with just a piano over many scenes and tracks, same concept, but one instrument.
This Roberto Donnini album is brilliant, I love it, why hasn’t this cropped up on my radar before, thanks for the heads up on this.
Anyway, if you are interested here is the link to my latest video exploring more techniques for Minimalist.
I definitely think that it’s an overlooked genre, and that everyone should have a go, I find it very relaxing and therapeutic to make.
As I get older, I feel myself more drawn towards experimenting with sound, other than making standard types of music, probably evident from most of my music and videos, I find it’s more about emotion than structure now.
Another good video; thanks again! Agree on the Donnini. Thanks for the rec Kashi.
You're both welcome
I like the idea that this thread could be for lovers of minimalist music! Have you heard Roberto Cacciapaglia's bona fide masterpiece "Sei note in logica"? If not, you're in for a treat! Check it out - (not sure it's exactly minimalist, but it uses repetitive phrases in a wonderful, transcendent way)
Thanks for this 2nd vid Doug - I don't have Progressions, but this vid make me want it
Look forward to more input here...
@thesoundtestroom @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr
Pretty darn cool. Only thing I feel is hard is getting some air into whatever setup you do, i.e it can get pretty intense despite the "minimal" description.
I fucking love this
Doesn’t that other app do this? It’s a sequencer but I remember when I was a teenager not knowing the terminology to express this but thinking the same so you can create changing intersections and contexts on the larger scale, like uneven orbits that keep in some sort of sync
I’m sure the app is focused on the orbits type thing… fugue, is it fugue?
Ok so apparently my question is about this vs fugue haha
Sounds like Aphelian maybe?
Yeah I think you’re right! Maybe elements of both the way different orbits or cycles overlap and the overlap changes and creates mutating cycles and things
Do you know if these do the same thing really as Euclidean?
I’m just wondering,,, if I’m going to need to buy another app
I’ve blown all my money on resonator guitars the last few months
Hey Doug, which IAPs are the sax and marimba sounds from? They sound good! @thesoundtestroom
Incidentally, anyone else find it really tricky to input notes in Euclidean? Really stifles workflow…
@Kashi I’m not sure what packs they are in, I’ll see if I can find them👍
The main idea behind Euclidean is to use the randomise feature to generate a sequence based on how you have a particular Bank set up, i.e how many step’s etc.
Then it’s much easier to move existing notes around.
@wingwizard Yes, that sounds like it may be Aphelion, that is a brilliant app too, not as flexible timing wise as Euclidean, but still really good for this style.
To be honest, if you can loop it and repeat it, you’re golden, so many apps can make minimalist.
@Pxlhg The minimalist tag, funnily enough, doesn’t mean fewer instruments or less dense motifs, in fact, it’s more the opposite.
Lots and lots of short loops that work together, adding more and more, building density in the sound.
Then playing all those little loops, dropping in out, adding more, taking away😊
The Minimalist part is to do with each musical snippet not evolving, but just repeating itself over and over.
Here is another short example of a piece I’m working on in Gadget using just pianos.
This makes more sense and probably give a better understanding of the genre.
This is still a work on progress.
Hey Doug, you bombarded me with so much new information that I needed a few days just to reply.
I knew about this genre before but never started to actually explore it, except meticulously listening to your demonstrations, haha. But those names like Steve Reich, Terry Riley, and Phillip Glass opened up so many new fields for me. Thank you for that.
Calling this music minimalistic is so misleading, but I understand what technically lies behind this naming.
Listening to this performance on YouTube, not live, should be forbidden by law.
@Luxthor , and everyone else for that matter, check this version of Terry Riley's In C.
One of my favourite things from the last couple of years:
https://unjenesaisquoi.bandcamp.com/album/in-c-pour-11-oscillateurs-et-53-formes
Also this. Genius.
@Luxthor Yes, this one of my favourite Steve Reich pieces too.
Thank you for the link. The documentary, from the start of the video, is phenomenal. It's a relief for me when I hear that I’m not alone in visualizing and experiencing music in similar ways as known and popular musicians like Terry.
I’m playing around with different scales in Euclidean but something weird is happening; I have 3 instances of Euclidean open, all set to the same scale. I change all three from say Locrian to minor pentatonic, and then when I go back into instance 1 of Euclidean, it’s changed back to Locrian (?) Is this a bug?
What’s the best way to contact Paul @4pockets_paul ?
Thanks for sharing this. I've downloaded it, ripped the audio and put it in my music library.
Hey Doug,
Any joy finding these sounds, and what packs they were in? No worries if it's a ball-ache.
Here is my Gadget tutorial for making Minimalist Music
