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paraphonic ios synth with oscillator crossmodulation?
Hello,
I am looking for a paraphonic synth with oscillators ring modulation or fm modulation but I can't find any.
The only paraphonic synth I can find is dagger, that have only hardsync.
Do you know others paraphonic ios synth?
Thanks!
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@fiflouc : my WoodSynth has 3 oscillators which can do ring mod or FM mod of each other ...
(and it has 4 independent layers each with those 3 oscillators ...)
Woodman
http://www.woodmansimmaculatemaplesyrupstudio.be
thanks woodman, Can each oscillator be controlled independently (like paraphonic synth)?
You probably know this but in case not: there are a lot of possible paraphonic architectures since paraphonic technically just means that some parts of the signal path are shared.
The oscillators might not be fully-independent. Some paraphonic synths have fully independent oscillators. Typically all voices go through a shared filter and vca (and so the envelopes are shared and not independent).
ARP Odyssei has paraphonic ringmod, no auv3 though
Korg iMono/Poly also has paraphonic X-mod sort of, you might want to set voice mode to original and turn down the level of oscillator 1 (unmodulated signal), also no auv3
If you want further options you might want to build this kind of setup in drambo, using the voice select and feedback modules
@fiflouc : as espiegel123 mentioned, it depends what you are looking for :
the 3 WoodSynth oscillators have some independent parts : detuning, LFO fm mod, LFO am mod, panning, waveforms, gain, etc.
They are then summed (per voice) and sent through the filter (per voice) and amp envelope (per voice).
Osc1 can be Freq (or better Phase) modulated by Osc2, Osc2 can be FM modulated by Osc3 which can be FM modulated by the samples.
Ring modulation is between Osc1 and Osc2 or between voice1 and voice2 or between layer 1 and layer2.
best,
Woodman
I don't know enough about paraphonic whatever-it-is, but it seems like Nambu could be patched to fit the bill at least as far as FM goes ... at least as far as I understand what's been said so far.
First thank you all.
Ok, I am not clear, what I want is : when I press one key on the keyboard I have a classic synth sound (OSC1 >filter>amp).
And if i press a second key (while the first key is sustained) I have OSC2 (which frequency is related to the second pressed key) modulating (FM or ring mod) OSC1.
for exemple I know that korg volca keys can do that. and I think Arp Odyssei and Imono/poly as Meru suggest.
I will try Drambo.
thanks.
@fiflouc : yes is possible in WoodSynth using ring mod between voices : pressing the first key starts voice 1 (using any combination of the 3 osc), pressing a second key is the normal 2nd voice, however the ring mod mode can be set to voice 1 and voice 2.
Woodman
Fwiw, that sounds cool . that’s not so much a paraphonic vs. non-paraphonic thing.
@wim: the sort of classic paraphonic analog synth architecture is each note gets its own oscillator (usually all identical waveforms), the oscillator outputs are summed and sent though a single vca and vcf. Usually there is one or two global envelopes that can modulate the vca or vcf. On the keyboards I played, every note press re-triggered the envelopes.
On those synths, if you held a chord with your left hand and played a lead with your right, you would keep retriggering the envelopes..so it could get pretty muddy if you did that.
I don’t think I even knew what paraphonic was till real poly synths came out a few years later.
I made a quick vid showing the ring mod between voices :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1sbshp3d43p2i2h/WoodSynth voices ring mod.mov?dl=0
Woodman
@espiegel123 : paraphonic mode is also possible : in the WoodSynth layer panel you can switch off vcf/voice and vca/voice which will then send all voices trough 1 filter and 1 amp envelope and hence retrigger on each new note played ...
The main reason I added this was to save some cpu when needed : 1 filter for 16 voices in stead of 16 filters ....
Woodman
This. My experience of those old pseudo-poly synths (Korg Poly 800) was incredibly frustrating. It may have had a great analog sound, but the paraphonic voice architecture was challenging to use well as a keys player, and the button-heavy '80s interface was a nightmare.
Not sure anyone would want to go to great lengths to recreate such an architecture (and it looks like @fiflouc is looking for a different architecture anyway).
When people complain about the voice count or voice stealing on modern analog polys like the Minilogue, I like to imagine their frustration at the early pseudo-poly synths. Four voices, each with their own EG/amp/filter, is a comparative luxury!
Correct, but sometimes they can have independent VCA envelopes into a single filter, there can be quite a variety of configurations, analog independent oscillators, analog divide down oscillators, digital oscillators and so on…
ok, thanks, Your synth looks very good!
@fiflouc : tnx ! any questions or feedback welcome...
Woodman