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Following (@Belldu) Following (@Geotony) Following Footsteps in the Snow
@Geotony created a lovely harp over fretless bass composition/improvisation:
and he later created another rendering with Electric Guitar over the Harp and Bass:
@Belldu decided to orchestrate the harp and lead part in Notion Mobile and added additional orchestral composing:
I asked @Belldu for his score in XMLMusic or MIDI format and he provided it. I put the score into Staffpad and assigned instruments. I did not change a note… I just assigned parts and adjusted some volumes to get the best attacks for various parts.
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I’ve created a monster…
Thanks McD for another fantastic version 🙏
My input was purely procedural… it’s worth noting that @belldu labored for months putting his score together and the effort is evident on the details in the score. My procedural steps took a couple hours of trying to insure all the parts could be heard and nothing jumped out too much. It’s great to see creatives inspiring each other to create.
Nice work, lads. It’s interesting at 2:50. The Godfather meets Exodus? I didn’t hear that in Tony’s original. The orchestration is outstanding. I hope @JanKun weighs in on this. Is @belldu ’s version desktop?
Yes! @belldu used the @geotony section as a launching pad to compose whole new sections. That section starting at 2:50 is wonderful. Worthy of Maurice Jarre’s film work like “Lawrence of Arabia”.
Let’s see…
He made it on the Notation app on IOS: “Notion Mobile” which is free with a $15 IAP if you want to add the handwriting feature. “Notion Mobile” is created by the Presonus folks that make their money off of hardware audio interfaces predominantly. I think they also have a desktop version.
Great collective work. @belldu created a sumptuous orchestration ! I personally prefer the sound of @McD 's version but I prefer the dynamic variation in @belldu 's version. @McD could try to change velocity in different section of the track (especially at 2:30 the strings should be quiet) to take advantage of Staffpad beautiful libraries dynamic range.
Impressive work everyone!
Handing this over to @McD was like handing it to a real musician, and I loved the emphasis he put on certain phrases, not just showcasing the StaffPad libraries but his feel for the piece too.
I particularly like the phrasing in McDs version at 2:50 and yes, I thought it was a bit Sicilian when I wrote it. I put a James Bond chord sequence in there as well to add to the (mild) drama.
Comparison to either Jarre is very welcome. On this forum its nice that Maurice gets remembered too.
If anyone else would like the MusicXML then I'm happy to share.
We can complete the circle if someone does a orchestral version without the melody lines and then we give it back to @GeoTony for some Geoshred treatment on top!
OK, just listened to all 4 versions on my good headphones and these are my completely subjective comments…
My two versions are obviously the best (where is that humour font when you need it 😀)
The middle section that Duncan ( @belldu ) has created from scratch is just beautiful. It stands on its own as a great piece of music.
That little section at 2:27 with the high pitched strings and the woodwind? is my favourite section closely followed by the very short descending pizzicato strings at 3:21 which is repeated with variations more fully later on.
Some of central selection reminds me of the English composers such as Elgar and Host that I like so much, as well as the Bond / Jarre nods that others have mentioned.
I like your version @mcd for the richness of the sounds e.g. double basses at the beginning and also I think the orchestral sounds are more realistic (more expensive?) but I find Duncan’s more delicate and has more light and shade which I prefer.
I guess I’m agreeing with @JanKun in this respect.
Anyway great work the two of you and (I’m sure @mcd won’t mind me saying), especially you Duncan 🙏
I did not write a single note… but I did want to hear the Staffpad libraries render this great composition. @belldu must have put months into this level of notated details. MusicXML follows the p-mf-f-ff style of indicating volumes… Staffpad assigned samples following those instructions. My effort was insuring the best samples were put forth and still the results are a bit too loud as @jankun mentions. He wants to hear more of the details beneath the strings.
Staffpad does have an automation layer and an instrument volume control to continue to adjust volume independent of sample selection. I manipulated the volumes and spread the stereo image in another file I put up on SoundCloud to see if the details around 2:30 are better.
Staffpad does not have a mixing control since it’s intended to get you to labor over the notation since the design is for composers working with session musicians.
But rendering the parts to audio wave files (stems) is an option to master in a traditional daw with slider automation.
This whole exercise is intended to highlight a really nice composition from two creators using 2 completely different approaches to maximum effectiveness. One using real-time composing and the other the techniques of a stone carver. My contribution is like photography… with a dash of photoshop processing. Buying good tools is still a great way to cheat at pushing out products.
It’s worth mentioning that the Notion Mobile version is the best example of that free product I have ever heard… adding an IR reverb to place the audio in a concert hall is a genius move and is like putting stems into a mastering stage. Notions libraries are pretty crude but @belldu found a way to make them impress and that’s good for others with limited funds to know. I’ll be glad to re-render any MusicXML and screw up the mix… it’s fun to hear good music come out without writing a single note. If anyone wants MusicXML or MIDI of my scores DM me. MIDI into Cubasis is another way to apply AU apps.
What a great series! And all had great qualities. Hey, @McD, if you ever need more midi files to orchestrate, let me know. 🤓