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XOX Drum Grids & Live Capture
Is there a technical reason why XOX drum grid apps don’t allow you to capture the odd live trigger (rather than always inputting graphically)? And, is there a good app that allows both?
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are you referring to midi input?
Just sometimes I want to insert a step by playing it (to get the feel), rather than inputting it graphically. I think all drum & sequencer apps should allow you to do both
tons of sequencers allow you to enter midi input in real time while the sequencer is running if that is what you mean?
in terms of ios drambo, Ableton note can do that
On iOS Drambo does. So that’s one that works really well. I see Ableton Note (which I think is excellent) as more of a Piano Roll than XOX/Grid style. Piano Rolls of course allow for both methods of input.
Octachron doesn’t
EG Nodes doesn’t
DrumComputer doesn’t
Playbeat 3 doesn’t
Hammerhead doesn’t
SDS-x doesn’t
Skaka doesn’t
Borsta doesn’t
Rozeta XOX doesn’t
Rozeta Rhythm doesn’t
Etc
That’s what I was getting at 👍
Accurate realtime midi recording and playback is a lot more work than something that is designed for grid playback. If something was designed with the data structures for grid playback, it would be a lot more work to add a realtime layer to it.
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DrumComputer doesn’t
Playbeat 3 doesn’t
Hammerhead doesn’t
SDS-x doesn’t
Skaka doesn’t
Borsta doesn’t
So only Beepstreet/Drambo put the extra effort in? No other examples on iOS? Do people see the advantage of having the dual functionality, is it something you’d find useful?
Yes, it's always helpful to have the option. I usually prefer to at least start laying out beats straight out of my head rather than figuring out where to poke the notes into a sequencer.
Yes I absolutely agree. Step programing can be a real flow killer for me.
That is another reason why Drambo is my favorite drummachine.
Yep, especially if you use pad controllers.
A non-quantized real-time MIDI recorder/editor is probably an order of magnitude (or more) more work than simple grid/step sequencer. It doesn't seem mysterious why apps aimed at people that want to do grid sequencing don't add features that would massively increase the amount of work without significantly increasing the income.
Those apps that have real-time non-quantized sequencing and grid-style editing are mostly providing a grid-based ui on an engined designed from the ground-up with realtime recording in mind.
It might not seem like a big difference -- but if one has ever dabbled in sequencer writing, you'll appreciate that teh difference is far from trivial.
The Minimum Viable Product excuse that developers often use to defend against not really appreciating how a user works in reality 👍
But that isn't what it is. Keep in mind that these iPad music apps earn their developers relatively small amounts of money.
Not every app needs to have every feature a person might possibly want.
🥱 same old boring monologue on repeat. Never hear this from actual music app developers. Doubt any decent Dev is starving.
Agree. I guess many devs who aren't expert users of the thing they're developing and don't have access to such people in their environment just don't like to hook up with people online early in the process.
I wonder if an agency or platform could help that connects both and has vetted experts developers can access.
yep, although I'm sure dev's should earn more than they are getting and they are working very hard, all the dev's i know are not starving.
Plenty of devs have mentioned this on the forum.
This is a thread about a piece of functionality that would be incredibly useful to have in a certain style and type of app.
It is not about sweeping statements like, every app needing every feature, nor is it about how small the iOS music market is, how hard it is for some developers to make money or, how hard implementation can be.
The developers likely had a clear vision and focus for their app. Hard to design and code something without that. Maybe they chose the easy option, the path of least resistance, the MVP. I don’t really care. I’m just saying this functionality would be beneficial but most of the apps listed, so far, don’t support it. Guess what, those are the apps that end up being used less and less until they’re deleted because they miss a key part of the creative workflow that can be really irritating. Then when it comes to buying the devs next release, guess what happens.
The best developers are open to understanding how the functionality they provide is used in reality, they want to iterate, they listen, consider, discuss, debate, reach a conclusion, communicate and implement, or don’t. All great software has involved strong elements of collaboration - history is full of great examples. That, and only that, was the purpose of raising this one small but valuable point.
EG and Octachron seem very much to be developers with this mindset, who knows, hopefully they’re listening, understanding and will at least consider the point being raised.
Back to the real world, dealing with serial derailing and self appointed defendants is tedious and unproductive.
@A_Mortal_Mage has a fantastic sequencer, “Prism” (nee “Ouroboros”), in beta testing right now that allows for capturing / recording trigs live
It’s a brilliant sequencer .. I’ve been testing it for some weeks and it just keeps getting better
Isn't it exactly what happened to NS-2 despite it being universally loved? Never got finished due to not producing enough income to feed the developer.
And they starved did they? Really?
What did I just say this thread isn’t about? Stick on topic 🙄
Heyhey @01XMO!
Thx for using Octachron and asking about my opinion on this. Actually, yes, of course we would like to do a live input feature as well. But actually, in fact, it is a matter of effort and time. Luckily, we are not starving at all, haha 🙂 But only because we both have other full-time bread-and-butter jobs.
With Octachron, unfortunately, we can’t make a living at all yet. We can only do it in our free time.
I guess with the prices, people are willing to spend at the moment, you won’t find so many full featured music apps soon.
We have a backlog of over 100 features, bigger and smaller ones, that we would like to do. And Live input is definitely one of them.
But at the moment, the community prioritized other things higher. So next things will be iPhone version and nudging.
Hope you understand. Thx for your support and best greetings from Munich 🙂 Tas
Great to know it’s on the radar, EG is in a similar position 👍
If MiRack is an option, the Big Button Seq, based on https://www.lookmumnocomputer.com/big-button was explicitly designed for this purpose. You run a clock into it and whenever you press the button a trigger is placed at the current step.
Interesting, thanks. A Drum Trigger Sequencer. I could see this being popular as a separate AUv3 app too.
Have to say I like the simplicity of the Drambo solution (it just works, capturing what you play and puts it visually in the grid. I’m hopeful for EG Nodes and Octachron implementations too, based on their responses.
This, with a full visual grid, as AUv3, coupled with the likes of FAC DrumKit would be great.
Thought this was interesting too but felt that right now it was missing the UI elegance of the Elektron machines it was compared to. Definitely one to keep an eye on.