Pros and cons of ipad app lifecycle

distantstar

@Apex said:
This falls 100% on Apple and not the devs. They’re doing an amazing job with what they’ve been given.

Oh, definitely. I don’t blame devs for any of this.

Slam_Cut

@Tentype said:
but in a nutshell Reaper tops the chart for most feature-rich, extremely customizable…

Can you give a brief description of the customizable aspects of Reaper? Automated workflows…? Sounds interesting. And just curious about how you either integrate iOS & Reaper or of you just keep it separate?
Thanks!

klownshed

@NeuM said:

@klownshed said:

@kirmesteggno said:

@richardyot said:

@kirmesteggno said:
Better desktop DAW integration would boost the iPad ecosystem I think. Not everybody is going to sacrifice midi controllers etc. and go full Logic Pro for iPad.

Why can't you use MIDI controllers with an iPad?

Logic doesn't support midi learn, you can't map knobs.

You can with this script:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/56050/logic-pro-how-to-use-a-midi-controller-to-control-your-plug-ins-lots-more-with-midi-scripter/p1

Apple should pay you for doing this.

Hahah. Yeah. Trouble is they end up charging me as most of what’s in the script is based on example scripts Apple provide with logic for Mac. ;-)

hes

@Slam_Cut said:

@Tentype said:
but in a nutshell Reaper tops the chart for most feature-rich, extremely customizable…

Can you give a brief description of the customizable aspects of Reaper? Automated workflows…? Sounds interesting. And just curious about how you either integrate iOS & Reaper or of you just keep it separate?
Thanks!

Here's video about one aspect of customization in Reaper: menus. I think most DAWs allow some sort of menu customization. As with many things, I'm pretty sure Reaper's level of customization is greater than what's found in other DAWs. Menu customization is just a small part of ability to customize. Main part would be coding or scripting new actions, or editing already existing actions, which can then be accessed in various ways (including from menus).

There are quite a few open source projects devoted to extending the functionality of Reaper. One of these is ReaLearn, which is a project that allows customizing interaction with external controllers, going beyond what's available out of box with Reaper. The developer explains what ReaLearn is in this video:

Tentype

@Slam_Cut said:

@Tentype said:
but in a nutshell Reaper tops the chart for most feature-rich, extremely customizable…

Can you give a brief description of the customizable aspects of Reaper? Automated workflows…? Sounds interesting. And just curious about how you either integrate iOS & Reaper or of you just keep it separate?
Thanks!

In Reaper EVERYTHING is customizable if you want. You don't have to of course, but without coding you can reskin the whole interface, rearrange all the menus, build custom macro actions which are multiple actions (from 2 to 100's) done with 1 key press, or use something like Realearn (thanks @hes ) to build custom support and interaction with ANY midi controller. There are 1000's of actions to choose from and 1000's more that users have coded themselves.
If you're a coder well... I'd be surprised if there's things you can't accomplish in Reaper.

I don't use Reaper and iPad together. There'd be lots of workflows you could figure out between them. But I keep them separate.

Tentype

@Tentype said:
Anyone can make a song with nothing but a sock and I'll be the first one to applaud. 👏🏽

I woke up sad that @HotStrange hasn't accepted this challenge yet. 😔

Slam_Cut

Thanks @hes & @Tentype !!!
I appreciate those replies. I bought Reaper over a decade ago but got focused on iOS and have ignored my laptop. I need to renew Reaper and jump in. I have zero coding experience, but it sounds like a really well-supported app.
Thanks again!!

HotStrange

@Tentype said:

@Tentype said:
Anyone can make a song with nothing but a sock and I'll be the first one to applaud. 👏🏽

I woke up sad that @HotStrange hasn't accepted this challenge yet. 😔

I missed this but…..challenge accepted 😎

hes

@Slam_Cut said:
Thanks @hes & @Tentype !!!
I appreciate those replies. I bought Reaper over a decade ago but got focused on iOS and have ignored my laptop. I need to renew Reaper and jump in. I have zero coding experience, but it sounds like a really well-supported app.
Thanks again!!

I guess my posts were mostly positive on Reaper. And it is very welll supported and very capable. But I suspect that for most people a more polished DAW like Logic Pro is what they want. Just like most people prefer the more polished MacOS to Linux. Linux and Reaper are capable, and fun (for the right people, you know who you are), but you can also waste a lot of time tinkering. . . .

mojozart

I buy/bought apps as entertainment, and to be able to partipate in their evolution, and occasionally to make some music. For all these things, I am pleased.

I used to be persuaded by the app developers' claims that they would add AUv3 later, or MIDI, or audio tracks(!), but my "investment" rarely panned out, so I try to be more realistic now.

NeuM

@kirmesteggno said:
Do you think Apple will ever make iPad covers for musicians with pads or keys woven in in the style of the now defunct Sensel Morph controllers?

Unlikely. Apple has a healthy markup on their accessories, but they tend to not wade very far into specific niche markets.

Tentype

@HotStrange said:

@Tentype said:

@Tentype said:
Anyone can make a song with nothing but a sock and I'll be the first one to applaud. 👏🏽

I woke up sad that @HotStrange hasn't accepted this challenge yet. 😔

I missed this but…..challenge accepted 😎

Ooooohhh! I'll start practising my applause. 😍👏🏽

AudioGus

@mojozart said:
I buy/bought apps as entertainment, and to be able to partipate in their evolution, and occasionally to make some music. For all these things, I am pleased.

I used to be persuaded by the app developers' claims that they would add AUv3 later, or MIDI, or audio tracks(!), but my "investment" rarely panned out, so I try to be more realistic now.

Yah added features are bonuses. Updates to me are only expected for standout bugs and stability improvements. On that note, used Cubasis 3 for about six hours the past few days and not a single crash or bug. Amazing. My 80$ cad investment of years ago was now worth it.

BroCoast

@AudioGus said:

@mojozart said:
I buy/bought apps as entertainment, and to be able to partipate in their evolution, and occasionally to make some music. For all these things, I am pleased.

I used to be persuaded by the app developers' claims that they would add AUv3 later, or MIDI, or audio tracks(!), but my "investment" rarely panned out, so I try to be more realistic now.

Yah added features are bonuses. Updates to me are only expected for standout bugs and stability improvements. On that note, used Cubasis 3 for about six hours the past few days and not a single crash or bug. Amazing. My 80$ cad investment of years ago was now worth it.

It’s amazing how everything more or less works these days without a problem.

It’s not like a decade ago stitching together IAA and praying it doesn’t break. Part of the fun was the danger!

kirmesteggno

@NeuM said:

@kirmesteggno said:
Do you think Apple will ever make iPad covers for musicians with pads or keys woven in in the style of the now defunct Sensel Morph controllers?

Unlikely. Apple has a healthy markup on their accessories, but they tend to not wade very far into specific niche markets.

They're already big in the music (production) industry with Logic and Apple Music. It would be an extension making the platform and pro devices more desirable alternatives to standalone grooveboxes and platforms like Akai MPC. especially in combination with Logic.

Tentype

@kirmesteggno said:

@NeuM said:

@kirmesteggno said:
Do you think Apple will ever make iPad covers for musicians with pads or keys woven in in the style of the now defunct Sensel Morph controllers?

Unlikely. Apple has a healthy markup on their accessories, but they tend to not wade very far into specific niche markets.

They're already big in the music (production) industry with Logic and Apple Music. It would be an extension making the platform and pro devices more desirable alternatives to standalone grooveboxes and platforms like Akai MPC. especially in combination with Logic.

Unfortunately I agree with @NeuM . It would be cool to have a device like that, but it won't be apple that makes it.
Apple hardware is very general use stuff. They get into niche markets with their software, but not hardware. Otherwise we'd see plenty of music devices come along before, like an apple audio interface.
It's a great idea, but I think more likely a 3rd party developer.

Gavinski

@Tentype said:

@kirmesteggno said:

@NeuM said:

@kirmesteggno said:
Do you think Apple will ever make iPad covers for musicians with pads or keys woven in in the style of the now defunct Sensel Morph controllers?

Unlikely. Apple has a healthy markup on their accessories, but they tend to not wade very far into specific niche markets.

They're already big in the music (production) industry with Logic and Apple Music. It would be an extension making the platform and pro devices more desirable alternatives to standalone grooveboxes and platforms like Akai MPC. especially in combination with Logic.

Unfortunately I agree with @NeuM . It would be cool to have a device like that, but it won't be apple that makes it.
Apple hardware is very general use stuff. They get into niche markets with their software, but not hardware. Otherwise we'd see plenty of music devices come along before, like an apple audio interface.
It's a great idea, but I think more likely a 3rd party developer.

Yeah, but Apple often changing their screen sizes would be a problem for any dev attempting that, so I don't think it would happen even from a 3rd party dev

AudioGus

@Gavinski said:

@Tentype said:

@kirmesteggno said:

@NeuM said:

@kirmesteggno said:
Do you think Apple will ever make iPad covers for musicians with pads or keys woven in in the style of the now defunct Sensel Morph controllers?

Unlikely. Apple has a healthy markup on their accessories, but they tend to not wade very far into specific niche markets.

They're already big in the music (production) industry with Logic and Apple Music. It would be an extension making the platform and pro devices more desirable alternatives to standalone grooveboxes and platforms like Akai MPC. especially in combination with Logic.

Unfortunately I agree with @NeuM . It would be cool to have a device like that, but it won't be apple that makes it.
Apple hardware is very general use stuff. They get into niche markets with their software, but not hardware. Otherwise we'd see plenty of music devices come along before, like an apple audio interface.
It's a great idea, but I think more likely a 3rd party developer.

Yeah, but Apple often changing their screen sizes would be a problem for any dev attempting that, so I don't think it would happen even from a 3rd party dev

Yah Alesis learned that pretty quick.

kirmesteggno

@Gavinski said:

@Tentype said:

@kirmesteggno said:

@NeuM said:

@kirmesteggno said:
Do you think Apple will ever make iPad covers for musicians with pads or keys woven in in the style of the now defunct Sensel Morph controllers?

Unlikely. Apple has a healthy markup on their accessories, but they tend to not wade very far into specific niche markets.

They're already big in the music (production) industry with Logic and Apple Music. It would be an extension making the platform and pro devices more desirable alternatives to standalone grooveboxes and platforms like Akai MPC. especially in combination with Logic.

Unfortunately I agree with @NeuM . It would be cool to have a device like that, but it won't be apple that makes it.
Apple hardware is very general use stuff. They get into niche markets with their software, but not hardware. Otherwise we'd see plenty of music devices come along before, like an apple audio interface.
It's a great idea, but I think more likely a 3rd party developer.

Yeah, but Apple often changing their screen sizes would be a problem for any dev attempting that, so I don't think it would happen even from a 3rd party dev

That's why Apple doing it makes the most sense, even if it's just to improve their brand among musicians and create a more desirable ecosystem. They know their roadmap.