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Passing IDAM usb audio from Ipad USBc to a hub and out to Mac?
Does anyone know if it's possible to get a USB C hub for an iPad Pro and connect it to it, then run the IDAM USB audio from the USB hub to a Mac computer? I am trying to find a way without detaching my existing USB hub every time I want to send audio from my iPad to my Mac. I know about the Iconnect 4C, but trying alternatives, if possible. Thx
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You can use a hub, but the host port of the hub has to be connected to the Mac, not the iPad. The iPad has to be plugged into one of the other ports of the hub. There's no way around this for iDAM.
Yeah my Mac has a hub connected, but how can I get IDAM out from the iPad, only from the main usb c port or can I get a hub with additional usb c outs ?
I can't say for sure for USB C, but I know absolutely that it won't work for Lightning iPads, and almost for certain that it won't work for USB C either. At least for Lightning devices, the device cannot be connected to the host port.
USB is a Guest > Host protocol. Host > Host and Guest > Guest don't work. That said - I have no real technical knowledge on this subject.
Ah ok.. thx
I guess that Iconnect 4 is the only way.
have you tried using sonobus to bypass the idam, and pipe it through to the mac sonobus client...
not sure if the routing would work... but sonobus is a clear alternative... which can be connected either via wifi... or ethernet dongle.
some considerations need to be made if using sonobus directly... as it will tieup your ethernet, which may affect your setup
i havent gotten around to testing this out...
as i purchased the apple ethernet dongle... for testing that configuration out...
do note...using wifi with the sonobus is not ideal, latency and dropped audio frames become too noticeable... which is where the ethernet dongle comes in
i have tied 2 mac mini's via ethernet(no router just a ethernet connection mac to mac) using sonobus.... and i suspect it is the same process when connecting directly to the apple device...
in fact i also did it with a PC and mac as well... worked good enough!
just note to connect via ethernet... click connect... and up in the top right corner there is 3dots... click that and it should have
"connect to Raw address"... take note of the 2 ip addresses... enter them BOTH correctly before connecting
Latency and dropped audio were still pretty high when I last tested Sonobus over Ethernet.
there is a inherent aspect of latency introduced when connecting between 2 devices, thats just the reality we expect...
in practice depending on ones CPU and routings concerned... it worked relatively well... while i was actively using beatjumps in DJ software.... trigerring sequences also probably not a problem...
...playing live midi notes... this is where the trouble would arise, as one would imagine...
ultimately depends on use case!
just a additional response to audio frames being dropped...
Sonobus can up the transmission of quality ranging from using 16bitPCM upto 32bit PCM... whatever that means lol...
but there would be packet loss if the throughput is too high... especially if using multichannel, so a balancing act with the sound quality needs to be addressed but on the whole... its a valid alternative... if you dont mind the configuration and setting up of things...
this configuring really needs to be setup in some form of a template... on both the server/client side
so thats something one needs to consider also...
i do understand AUM can save templates and save settings?? on the otherside dependant on the host you use to run the client..
but again this Sonobus setup... needs to be thoroughly tested, to provide how valid it really is in practical terms... from a setup perspective.... to the practical side of things!!
and from my short testing... its works well enough current version of sonobus is 1.7.2
Well, now that I'm testing again, I wonder if my original testing was valid in the first place. I couldn't get a point-to-point connection going with the Connect to Raw Address method, and I sort of doubt I went to the trouble to cart my devices back to the router to plug them in directly so as to be able to use Group connect.
Oh well, it was only a science experiment anyway. iDAM is OK for my purposes.
when connecting point to point for "connect to Raw address... i used the ethernet cable direct from pc to pc or mac to mac... but i will do a little test with the apple ethernet cable with the apple Dongle on the apple ipad air 3 i have.... see if there are any major issues to consider
Maybe I'll give it another try. One of the dongles I used has had other data transmission problems. I have another good one around here somewhere...
Thanks for your help and efforts but I need something with low latency and very good audio quality. Apple should really make this effort seamless by now.
okay test done lol
was simple setup
ipad--> usbcamera --> usb-hub ---> apple ethernet dongle ---> ethernet cable----> m1 mac mini
m1 mac mini ---> Reaper Sonobus fx slot
ipad.... audiobus with remixlive .... sonobus on fx slot transmitting 2channels PCM 24 bit @ approx 2500 kb/s.
conclusion very very clear!!... i cannot speak for latency as i dont know how to calculate that
but audio transmission is suprising!! first try not too bad a result!! only on the initial auto-adjustment(when the applications handshake) theres dropped frames but that is expect as the transmission of data has to sync
but best to try it out for oneself!! its as good as the siderack audioeffect option... but again one need to try it!!
im satisfied with it!
Out of curiosity, why do you need the hub on the iPad @Antos3345 ? If to use controllers, it works well to use MidiPipe on the Mac to pass through the MIDI data to the IDAM-connected iPad.
i should add... i disabled transmission coming back from the m1 mac mini...so there was only one-way transmission
ipad -----> mac mini.
i guess if one want to route audio from m1 mac to lets say... turnado for FX manipulation... and back again to the m1 for output... then you need to consider the congestion of transmission ... but im just guessing of course!!
If you don’t need to get audio into the iPad then connecting it with the Mac hosting the hub should work fine. You probably don’t even need to use the hub as the Mac would at least have a couple of USB ports available. MIDI over IDAM works both directions so you can still connect controllers to the Mac and connect them to apps on the iPad all with one cable between the iPad and the Mac. If your desire is to have 2 way audio then you either need an iConnect4, 2 audio interfaces that you can potentially connect together or use something like Sonobus. Sonobus might work, but I think you could get latency issues when attempting to play live.(it’s free to play with so if you have the time and the technical chops it might be worth a go).
In order to use a controller connected to the Mac to control iPad apps, you have to use something like MidiPipe or a DAW that can do such forwarding to make the routing work. DAWs and midi apps on the Mac can send midi back to the iPad over iDAM, but connected devices can't.
MidiPipe can do that easily though.
I need mainly the audio to go from the iPad to my Macmini with minimal latency and excellent sound quality.
I guess I need to find a USB C hub that I can connect to my iPad Pro C port that also has more USB C outputs...So then I could assumably connect from that USB C port to my Macmini?? I'm always contemplating getting the iConnect 4, but I have read mixed opinions. Do you use it?
i think another consideration with regards to using a audio interface that does dual audio ipad + computer...
is the clock syncing...
with my initial audio test using sonobus... i never sync'd anything... ie ableton link/midi sync etc...
as the Ipad in its standalone state runs @ 48000 ... and if you have a computer running @ 44100 as i did... no issues with transmission over a direct ethernet cable... syncing is another matter
and i do believe if both sources(Ipad & Computer) are not running on the same clock source(Audio4c)... you will inevitably get drift when syncing, as a 48000 ipad clock is not necessarily the same as another audio interfaces 48000 clock, and is DEFINATELY not the same when the audio4c is using 44100 and the ipad is stuck on 48000
so what sample rates a plugin... outputs also needs to match yada yada yada
You can't have the host port of a hub plugged into the iPad. You can only connect it to one of the non-host ports of a hub who's host port is connected to the Mac, or directly to the Mac. The iPad is acting as a peripheral of the Mac.
Other than that, if you just need high quality, low latency audio going from the iPad to the Mac, iDAM is fine. It's only if you need to go the other way that you can't with iDAM.
come to think of it....
a good test for someone to carry out....
is the syncing of the novo-siderack with ableton link and the computer
And another limitation: You can't connect an audio interface to the iPad while using iDAM, and you can only use Bluetooth midi controllers ... unless you get fancy and connect the midi controllers to the Mac and use MidiPipe or a DAW to route their midi to the iPad.
I think I may buy a refurbished audio4+ for about half the price of a 4c I don’t really think the 4c is much different than the 4+, other than the C inputs. It may make my life easier in iPad audio land.
just be aware of the versions of the audio4+ or the audio4c... apparently there are slight differences that i've read on the icconnectivity site... which is to close down very soon....
so take the time to read some of the differences from the users over on that forum
be diligent and do your research!
The company is closing soon? I know there’s already a thread of the main differences between these units. I see there’s a Facebook user group. Is this what you mean?
The iconnectivity forum is closing soon... i saw a post on the forum when i happened to visit a week or so ago...
nothing to do with the company... just the community forum...
Yeah, I tried to check a blog about comparing the two and it was down.