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All The Tragic Lovers

Indie rock, all the guitars are tuned to open G, tracked and mixed in Logic for iPad. Lyrics in the spoiler:

I wondered why you looked so low
And I felt quite sympatico
The ghosts of tragic lovers
That live in your shadow

Count the cards and make your play
We deal with fate in our own way
And all the tragic lovers
Are here to show the way

You know, what you want and where to go
And all the tragic lovers
Will tell you what they know

If you and I were taking turns
To soothe the blisters and the burns
Do you think the tragic lovers
Would share in our concerns?

Count the cards and make your play
We deal with fate in our own way
And all the tragic lovers
Are here to show the way

You know, what you want and where to go
And all the tragic lovers
Will tell you what they know

Dream dream through the day
Of all the loves of yesterday
Of all the tragic lovers
Whose dreams were thrown away

Count the cards and make your play
We deal with fate in our own way
And all the tragic lovers
Are here to show the way

You know, what you want and where to go
And all the tragic lovers
Will tell you what they know

Comments

  • I might be humming this melody throughout the day. You sound great. I love the guitar sound of Robin Guthrie. This makes me think of that, and you nailed the vocals in my opinion

  • @myapologies said:
    I might be humming this melody throughout the day. You sound great. I love the guitar sound of Robin Guthrie. This makes me think of that, and you nailed the vocals in my opinion

    Thanks very much for listening. It will come as no surprise that I'm also a huge fan of Robin Guthrie's guitar tone. ♥

  • Very nice song Richard. The Cult appeared in my head from the very first notes but the singing then kinda took it in another direction. Well done anyhow. (I need to find me some Cult, haven't listen to them for ages)

  • edited March 2024

    @Pxlhg said:
    Very nice song Richard. The Cult appeared in my head from the very first notes but the singing then kinda took it in another direction. Well done anyhow. (I need to find me some Cult, haven't listen to them for ages)

    Thanks for listening. It's probably the chorused guitar riff at the start of She Sells Sanctuary that you had in mind. A classic (As a teenage goth I was into this at the time). My song doesn't have quite the same muscle :)

    Gotta love that Gretsch White Falcon that Billy Duffy is playing:

  • Yes, I love that sound! 🤩 You are the only person I know who can accurately replicate the magic from the 4AD era so closely.

  • edited March 2024

    @Luxthor said:
    Yes, I love that sound! 🤩 You are the only person I know who can accurately replicate the magic from the 4AD era so closely.

    Thanks, I think All The Tragic Lovers is quite a 4AD-ish kinda title now that you mention it :)

    I used to love looking at the 4AD catalogues, just for the artwork. The music was incredible too of course.

  • Brilliant! I also thought of The Cult in the opening bars and then it quickly settled down into more of a Cocteaus type of vibe. Just a perfect 90s sound and style to my ears. Haha I too was a teenage goth, in the late 80s.
    Really well done track, anyway, I still love this style and you always produce it perfectly. Vocal style is always spot on. 👍👍

  • Another great jangly indie song. This one is really catchy, really good, solid songwriting. Love it :-)

  • @richardyot said:

    @Pxlhg said:
    Very nice song Richard. The Cult appeared in my head from the very first notes but the singing then kinda took it in another direction. Well done anyhow. (I need to find me some Cult, haven't listen to them for ages)

    Thanks for listening. It's probably the chorused guitar riff at the start of She Sells Sanctuary that you had in mind. A classic (As a teenage goth I was into this at the time). My song doesn't have quite the same muscle :)

    Gotta love that Gretsch White Falcon that Billy Duffy is playing:

    Love the Cult. Saw them live a few times and they were really good. Billy Duffy is such a good guitarist.

  • @Spidericemidas said:
    Brilliant! I also thought of The Cult in the opening bars and then it quickly settled down into more of a Cocteaus type of vibe. Just a perfect 90s sound and style to my ears. Haha I too was a teenage goth, in the late 80s.
    Really well done track, anyway, I still love this style and you always produce it perfectly. Vocal style is always spot on. 👍👍

    Thanks! It sounds you went through a few different subcultures when you were younger, I did too.

    @klownshed said:
    Another great jangly indie song. This one is really catchy, really good, solid songwriting. Love it :-)

    As always thanks for taking the time to listen 🙏

  • edited March 2024

    @richardyot

    "Thanks! It sounds you went through a few different subcultures when you were younger, I did too."

    Hah! This may raise a smile...

    In the early 80s I was a nutty boy - black harrington jacket and black trousers etc.

    Shortly after that I was a 'heavy' - denim jacket with pointy studs inserted all along the jacket seams and patches of heavy metal band names and logos sown on (by my Mum 😂) all over the back with a chain hanging off the back between the two shoulders - Vivien style from the young ones! I think it was my Nan's old toilet chain I pinched for that 😅. Hair got longer during this period.

    Mid 80s I became something we called a kind of "smoothie" at school. Smartened up. Huge mullet - Pat Sharp style complete with highlights (courtesy of my Mum again! LOL) Flecked loose trousers and pastel coloured jackets with the sleeves rolled up and a T-shirt underneath. Kind of Crocket & Tubs style! 😆

    Shortly after that I became a new romantic. Kept the mullet but the clothes changed to tight black jeans and flowery patterned shirts, loads of jewellery - necklaces and loads of bangles up the arms. Black eye liner. Beauty spots. Silk scarfs hanging down from the belt loops on the jeans. Black swede pointy pixy boots with tassels.

    Late 80s the new romantic morphed further into a full-blown goth. Long hair dyed a permanent raven black (guess who did that for me? My Mum! 😃) occasionally crimped and back-combed out, Robert Smith style, with a set of crimpers borrowed from my mate. All black jeans, shirts and a black swede tasselled jacket obtained from Romford market. Increased jewellery and black eye liner - makeup now included black nail varnish and the occasional black lipstick. PMSL.

    Each fashion phase I was really into the associated music too. Eventually I calmed down in the 90s and remained pretty normal and boring ever since! Wonderful memories and a taste of everything while growing up.

    How about you, Richard?

  • edited March 2024

    @Spidericemidas what a journey!

    Mine wasn't quite as varied or colourful, partly because I was quite square in my early teens, it wasn't until I was about 17 that I got into the more weird stuff. At 15 I was just a boring Dire Straits fan, blue jeans and flat top.

    In sixth form I discovered weed, and because I lived in the sticks and there was nothing to do I spent a couple of years stoned out of my mind, and in that period got into more alternative music, and become a massive Sisters of Mercy and Bauhaus fan, and started wearing black clothes, winklepickers, crimped my hair, wore eyeliner, all that shit. It used to take about 5 minutes just to get my shoes on, what with all the buckles and then the bootstraps on top😅

    At uni though I fell out with the goth crowd, it was just too stifling. I would get disapproving looks and comments because I liked a lot of non-goth music, I remember buying the classic 13th Floor Elevators album and my goth mates slagging it off. I wanted to be a non-conformist, and it seemed bizarre to have to then conform to the rules of the subculture. We forget how tribal people were about music back in those days.

    I was also into The Smiths, The Velvet Underground, The JAMC, Mudhoney, The Pixies, Galaxie 500 (who were my absolute favourites, I was obsessed) etc... so I couldn't stay within the confines of goth and just became an unclassifiable weirdo. Dyed my hair bright red and kept wearing the eyeliner, but no longer clothed in black. I wore purple Converse shoes, yellow stripy tops, and was just generally odd and scruffy looking.

    I really wish I had more photos from back then, but of course no-one carried a camera (and phones were not a thing). These are some of the few I have:

    I'm roughly 20ish in this one, still a spotty kid 😅

    Around the same time, at my brother's wedding. It looks like I crimped my hair for the occasion :)

    Here I'm probably 24, playing a gig in Manchester (the band never got anywhere):

  • "Unclassifiable weirdo" I'd be happy with that 😁

    Brilliant! Enjoyed reading that. Thanks for sharing your story. The red hair is wicked. At one point, my hair was exactly like that in the guitar playing pics.

    I know exactly what you mean about the silly constraints when you're part of a group in a certain style - most of them think you should only listen to the associated music and diss everything else. Whatever fashion or genre phase I was in, I still listened to and appreciated all the other types of music at the same time. My peers in each group could never understand that. My vinyl and CD collection now covers all those past styles and genres and I love them all. Why limit yourself to only one or a few things, right?

    Yeah I regret we didn't have cameras or camera phones so readily available to capture everything back then like we do nowadays. They would be an awesome memory and reminder now. Mobile phones hardly even existed then, let alone phones with cameras!

    😎👍

  • @Spidericemidas said:
    @richardyot

    "Thanks! It sounds you went through a few different subcultures when you were younger, I did too."

    Hah! This may raise a smile...

    In the early 80s I was a nutty boy - black harrington jacket and black trousers etc.

    Shortly after that I was a 'heavy' - denim jacket with pointy studs inserted all along the jacket seams and patches of heavy metal band names and logos sown on (by my Mum 😂) all over the back with a chain hanging off the back between the two shoulders - Vivien style from the young ones! I think it was my Nan's old toilet chain I pinched for that 😅. Hair got longer during this period.

    Mid 80s I became something we called a kind of "smoothie" at school. Smartened up. Huge mullet - Pat Sharp style complete with highlights (courtesy of my Mum again! LOL) Flecked loose trousers and pastel coloured jackets with the sleeves rolled up and a T-shirt underneath. Kind of Crocket & Tubs style! 😆

    Shortly after that I became a new romantic. Kept the mullet but the clothes changed to tight black jeans and flowery patterned shirts, loads of jewellery - necklaces and loads of bangles up the arms. Black eye liner. Beauty spots. Silk scarfs hanging down from the belt loops on the jeans. Black swede pointy pixy boots with tassels.

    Late 80s the new romantic morphed further into a full-blown goth. Long hair dyed a permanent raven black (guess who did that for me? My Mum! 😃) occasionally crimped and back-combed out, Robert Smith style, with a set of crimpers borrowed from my mate. All black jeans, shirts and a black swede tasselled jacket obtained from Romford market. Increased jewellery and black eye liner - makeup now included black nail varnish and the occasional black lipstick. PMSL.

    Each fashion phase I was really into the associated music too. Eventually I calmed down in the 90s and remained pretty normal and boring ever since! Wonderful memories and a taste of everything while growing up.

    How about you, Richard?

    This put a huge smile on my face as it sounds similar to me. Mine went something like this:

    79-80 was similar to you with Fred Perry shirts, black Harrington and haircut like Terry Hall. Drifted into a New Romantic phase for a while, but within a year I owned a biker jacket and my hair was getting longer. Probably a year after that I was playing guitar in a hardcore punk band (so the jacket stayed, but the t-shirts and haircut changed). I started DJ-ing alternative night at a club by about 84, and I kind of alternated between punk, goth, and everything in between. By the mid-80s I had mostly stopped worrying about how I dressed, but I had a record collection that had something for everyone.

  • Beautiful song and lyrics. Excellent production. Great mix, well balanced with everything in its place. You would have paid a lot of money for this in an old school 24-track studio in the 80s. Sounds really big in my headphones.

    I enjoyed the pictures. Brings back some nice memories of my gigging days. By the mid 80s I was already divorced once, so this musical style escaped me. I’m not familiar with the bands and musicians you guys mentioned, but I’m going to look them up now and have a listen.

  • @Paulieworld said:
    Beautiful song and lyrics. Excellent production. Great mix, well balanced with everything in its place. You would have paid a lot of money for this in an old school 24-track studio in the 80s. Sounds really big in my headphones.

    I enjoyed the pictures. Brings back some nice memories of my gigging days.

    Thanks for listening, and yes it's incredible that we have a full studio in an iPad now, what an amazing opportunity compared to previous generations.

    @Paulieworld said:
    By the mid 80s I was already divorced once, so this musical style escaped me. I’m not familiar with the bands and musicians you guys mentioned, but I’m going to look them up now and have a listen.

    Late 80s/Early 90s alternative and indie music is a huge well of incredibly good music. But since Robin Guthrie (guitarist with the Cocteau Twins) was mentioned early on in the thread maybe start here:

  • Took me a while to get my thoughts together on this - big wave of nostalgia for me. Definitely gives me that early 80s feel musically, but it reminds me vocally of some of those really early Stone Roses songs (and all the acts that Ian Brown was obviously influenced by).

    So much great music was produced in the background to popular music during the 80s, which is why the middle years of the decade are mostly forgettable to me as far as popular music is concerned.

    On my third listen now.

  • @richardyot said:

    @Paulieworld said:
    Beautiful song and lyrics. Excellent production. Great mix, well balanced with everything in its place. You would have paid a lot of money for this in an old school 24-track studio in the 80s. Sounds really big in my headphones.

    I enjoyed the pictures. Brings back some nice memories of my gigging days.

    Thanks for listening, and yes it's incredible that we have a full studio in an iPad now, what an amazing opportunity compared to previous generations.

    @Paulieworld said:
    By the mid 80s I was already divorced once, so this musical style escaped me. I’m not familiar with the bands and musicians you guys mentioned, but I’m going to look them up now and have a listen.

    Late 80s/Early 90s alternative and indie music is a huge well of incredibly good music. But since Robin Guthrie (guitarist with the Cocteau Twins) was mentioned early on in the thread maybe start here:

    Heaven or Las Vegas ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • I just listened. Very cool. However, I think you are every bit as talented as him. There is an old saying about being in the right place at the right time. Think Butterfly Effect. Under different circumstances, that could have been you. One more thing. I’m not gay (not that there’s anything wrong with that), but you were a good looking dude. Those girls looked like they were having a good time. Just saying!

  • edited March 2024

    I went through many of those musical phases, but have always been pretty allergic to dressing up and being anything other than unnoticed. So I never did the fashion to go with the music...

    Early days were Madness and Adam and the Ants, Gary Numan, Vince Clarkes various incarnations, DM, FGTH, Art of Noise and the Trevor Horn Sound, Sisters, the Cult, The Cure, PiL, Killing Joke, early industrial like NiN, Ministry, Front 242, FLA then more guitar led stuff like Faith no More, Alice in Chains, Pixies, Britpop, Indie like Jesus and Mary Chain, dance crossover like Prodigy, Leftfield, Chemical Bros, electronic stuff like LFO, Aphex Twin, anything produced by Flood (NiN, DM, Curve, Nitzer Ebb, PJ Harvey, Smashing Pumpkins to name but a few). All of that from around 1980 to 1995.

    Music changed so much in those few years. And that's not even mentioning the Punk explosion which was a bit before my time... Many of those bands listed above brought exciting new sounds to the airwaves.

    Everything was so exciting. Each new technology brought new music with it; The affordable studio, the affordable synth. Drum machines. Samplers. Digital Synths. Affordable-ish home recording equipment. CDs. MIDI sequencers. Computer sequencers. ADAT Machines. DAT Machines. The DAW. Plug-ins. All those things came along and changed music during my childhood and teenage years into mid-20s. Pretty much. That pace of innovation has slowed a lot. I was doing what I'm doing today 20 years ago. In Logic.

    I could easily make my music today (granted it's not modern LOL) in Logic 7 on a 20 year old Mac. Music hasn't changed as much in the last 20 years as it did between 1980 and 1995. IMVHO. :-)

  • @klownshed said:
    I could easily make my music today (granted it's not modern LOL) in Logic 7 on a 20 year old Mac. Music hasn't changed as much in the last 20 years as it did between 1980 and 1995. IMVHO. :-)

    It really hasn't, and that's partly because it's become much less important culturally. I have two boys, 15 and 18, they like music, but it doesn't shape their identity in the same way it did for us. In their age group cohorts no-one belongs to any musical subculture, those are mostly a thing of the past.

    Culture for teens is now all about the internet, especially YouTube and Instagram, and they don't listen to music in the tribal way that Gen Xers did.

  • @Paulieworld said:
    I just listened. Very cool. However, I think you are every bit as talented as him. There is an old saying about being in the right place at the right time. Think Butterfly Effect. Under different circumstances, that could have been you. One more thing. I’m not gay (not that there’s anything wrong with that), but you were a good looking dude. Those girls looked like they were having a good time. Just saying!

    @michael_m said:
    Took me a while to get my thoughts together on this - big wave of nostalgia for me. Definitely gives me that early 80s feel musically, but it reminds me vocally of some of those really early Stone Roses songs (and all the acts that Ian Brown was obviously influenced by).

    So much great music was produced in the background to popular music during the 80s, which is why the middle years of the decade are mostly forgettable to me as far as popular music is concerned.

    On my third listen now.

    Thanks both! Much appreciated. ♥

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