Does this app exist?

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In hip hop, there’s a technique of making two copies of a sample, and using a low pass filter on one so’s you can only hear the bass, and applying a high pass filter to the other to take the bass out. Then playing them both at once to get more bass in the sample, and muting the hi passed part in the verses.

I’m aware that stem splitters etc could approximate that in a way, but is there an app that would work like the IHNY compressor; double the sample and give high pass control on one and low pass on another? I mean, it’s easy enough to use two samples to do it, but I just wondered if anything existed to make it quick and easy.

SevenSystems

Uhm... wouldn't it be easier to just use a single sample and a single low pass, and then automate its cutoff frequency? 🤔

EDIT: If you're after the phasing effect that the combination of two parallel non-linear phase filters would cause, a separate phaser or flanger might do.

michael_m

@SevenSystems said:
Uhm... wouldn't it be easier to just use a single sample and a single low pass, and then automate its cutoff frequency? 🤔

EDIT: If you're after the phasing effect that the combination of two parallel non-linear phase filters would cause, a separate phaser or flanger might do.

Yep. I don’t see the point of the HPF at all.

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@SevenSystems said:
Uhm... wouldn't it be easier to just use a single sample and a single low pass, and then automate its cutoff frequency? 🤔

EDIT: If you're after the phasing effect that the combination of two parallel non-linear phase filters would cause, a separate phaser or flanger might do.

No. The main reason of the technique is to get a low end boom, but still keep the highs. And phasing isn’t present, or desired. It’s a hip hop staple, since the inception.

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@michael_m said:

@SevenSystems said:
Uhm... wouldn't it be easier to just use a single sample and a single low pass, and then automate its cutoff frequency? 🤔

EDIT: If you're after the phasing effect that the combination of two parallel non-linear phase filters would cause, a separate phaser or flanger might do.

Yep. I don’t see the point of the HPF at all.

😂 Listen to some hip hop. You’ll see the point. The high pass is so’s the original bass disappears, but the boom from the low pass replaces it. And you still have the mids and highs.

michael_m

@looperboy said:

@michael_m said:

@SevenSystems said:
Uhm... wouldn't it be easier to just use a single sample and a single low pass, and then automate its cutoff frequency? 🤔

EDIT: If you're after the phasing effect that the combination of two parallel non-linear phase filters would cause, a separate phaser or flanger might do.

Yep. I don’t see the point of the HPF at all.

😂 Listen to some hip hop. You’ll see the point. The high pass is so’s the original bass disappears, but the boom from the low pass replaces it. And you still have the mids and highs.

I listen to quite a bit of hip hop, but can’t say I have noticed switching between a high-passed and low-passed sample. I would say @SevenSystems suggestion is a far better solution than doing it this way.

SevenSystems

@looperboy said:

@SevenSystems said:
Uhm... wouldn't it be easier to just use a single sample and a single low pass, and then automate its cutoff frequency? 🤔

EDIT: If you're after the phasing effect that the combination of two parallel non-linear phase filters would cause, a separate phaser or flanger might do.

No. The main reason of the technique is to get a low end boom, but still keep the highs. And phasing isn’t present, or desired. It’s a hip hop staple, since the inception.

If you want a low end boom without affecting anything else, you can just use a single low-shelf filter with positive gain and a frequency of, say, 150 Hz.

nuno_agogo

so well, does this app exist?

FordTimeLord

@nuno_agogo said:
so well, does this app exist?

Drambo (probably)

bygjohn

K-Devices Secta might be the app you’re after. It splits the incoming signal at a frequency and you can apply filters to each band. It does more than that, but might be what you need.

RajahP

@nuno_agogo said:
so well, does this app exist?

Well, Lumbeat’s Hip Hop Drummer is pretty versatile.. maybe you can find your ‘workflow’ in it…

sevenape

Op means this more or less (skip to "boom") it's an old school trick to get people head nodding even more.

(Don't think a sampler that does this automatically exists, pretty sure you can do it in koala)

sevenape

I guess in the old days the djs just used the EQ knobs. (The really old days)

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Tentype

@looperboy said:
In hip hop, there’s a technique of making two copies of a sample, and using a low pass filter on one so’s you can only hear the bass, and applying a high pass filter to the other to take the bass out. Then playing them both at once to get more bass in the sample, and muting the hi passed part in the verses.

I’m aware that stem splitters etc could approximate that in a way, but is there an app that would work like the IHNY compressor; double the sample and give high pass control on one and low pass on another? I mean, it’s easy enough to use two samples to do it, but I just wondered if anything existed to make it quick and easy.

I can't think of an app that just does this (doesnt mean there isn't one)

questions:

Is there something on desktop that does this? Would be handy to see it i think.

How does playing both halves of a bassy sample get "more bass" than just playing the sample whole and unfiltered? Is there a boost on the low end?

Is there a scenario where you only use the low end? You describe only using the high end, and using them both together...

One suggestion i have is using any multiband eq and setting up a high pass and low pass and then using either automation or midi mapping buttons to turn the bands on and off. If you really need it to be filters then Toneboosters DualVCF is an option. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Philandering_Bastard

@nuno_agogo said:
so well, does this app exist?

https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/ihny-2-baby-audio/id1639903928

Perhaps?

Tentype

Watched that video and it makes more sense. In the end it amounts to bring able to turn effects on and off easily. Those effects being a filter and or eq and or compression.

The doubled sample thing is an mpc workflow that got developed because midi mapping isn't an option. If you wanted a quick "one button instant fx to change the sound" the option was making a new program with those fx in a slot.

To me it seems like the answer is if you can automate or midimap in your current setup then get an eq or filter or both that you turn on and off through that method.

Otherwise, if you want the mpc workflow go for Koala or Dawnbeat.

klownshed

@looperboy said:
In hip hop, there’s a technique of making two copies of a sample, and using a low pass filter on one so’s you can only hear the bass, and applying a high pass filter to the other to take the bass out. Then playing them both at once to get more bass in the sample, and muting the hi passed part in the verses.

I’m aware that stem splitters etc could approximate that in a way, but is there an app that would work like the IHNY compressor; double the sample and give high pass control on one and low pass on another? I mean, it’s easy enough to use two samples to do it, but I just wondered if anything existed to make it quick and easy.

A pretty flexible way to do this is to use sends. If your source track is set to no output you can use pre fader sends to a couple of aux tracks. You can then add different fx to each aux after the filter for more flexibility.

Use linear phase eq if you’re worried about phase.

I wouldn’t worry myself. Just use your ears. Messing with stuff the wrong way often produces good results.

michael_m

@Tentype said:
Watched that video and it makes more sense. In the end it amounts to bring able to turn effects on and off easily. Those effects being a filter and or eq and ir compression.

The doubled sample thing is an mpc workflow that got developed because midi mapping isn't an option. If you wanted a quick "one button instant fx to change the sound" the option was making a new program with those fx in a slot.

To me it seems like the answer is if you can automate or midimap in your current setup then get an eq or filter or both that you turn on and off through that method.

Otherwise, if you want the mpc workflow go for Koala or Dawnbeat.

I think that’s what caused the initial puzzlement. There’s no need to do it this way with a modern DAW. As you say, you can just automate it.

klownshed

Or just use FAC Bandit. Turn off the dry signal and then use the various bands’ mix control to shape the track and add various fx — I often use FAC to add delay to the hi freqs and saturation to the bass for example.

rs2000

Or use TB Equalizer. Or Drambo if you want a more accessible implementation with DJ style Lp/BP/HP kill EQs etc.

wim

A pretty flexible way to do this is to use sends. If your source track is set to no output you can use pre fader sends to a couple of aux tracks. You can then add different fx to each aux after the filter for more flexibility.

Use linear phase eq if you’re worried about phase.

I'm glad someone said this. It was my immediate thought. It would take a few seconds to set up in AUM.

cokomairena

@looperboy said:

@SevenSystems said:
Uhm... wouldn't it be easier to just use a single sample and a single low pass, and then automate its cutoff frequency? 🤔

EDIT: If you're after the phasing effect that the combination of two parallel non-linear phase filters would cause, a separate phaser or flanger might do.

No. The main reason of the technique is to get a low end boom, but still keep the highs. And phasing isn’t present, or desired. It’s a hip hop staple, since the inception.

Just use an eq with a low boost?

MonkeyDrummer

@looperboy : Let us know a little more about the tools you have to work with.

If you use AUM, I agree your best bet (and it’s free), is to have the sample on a track with 2 sends as mentioned. I’d put them post fader though so you have more real-time control of entire sound.
1 send uses aum’s built in hp and one uses aum’s built it lp.
This way you can even add fx and processing to each “band”

Another, more powerful option would be to just use a single Multiband compression tool. I recommend @brambos ’s WOTT. Mainly because getting more “oomph” out of bass goes beyond simple volume increase on low frequencies. WOTT allows for all kinds on up/down compression options.