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3D room simulation for mixing/mastering

SlushSlush
in General App Discussion

I was listening to this demo on youtube, and I believe you have something like this for the desktops, but it would be really great to have something like this on the iOS; a studio monitor simulator that mimics a well setup neutral sounding studio environment while mixing/tracking/mastering with just headphones. The technology seems to be there to simulate I guess?

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  • cokomairenacokomairena

    Ive been always curious to know if this can be achieved with impulse responses?

  • dogonBeatsdogonBeats

    This seems intriguing. I wonder if VirtualRoom can achieve this effect.

  • HolyMosesHolyMoses

    I did an quick test of VirtualRoom AU into Logic Pro for iPad, and, as I can see and hear similar awesome effects can be produced just like in above video…

  • SlushSlush

    @dogonBeats said:
    This seems intriguing. I wonder if VirtualRoom can achieve this effect.

    Now this is interesting. I wonder if I can reproduce the same effect as listening to my monitor speakers..

  • HolyMosesHolyMoses

    @Slush said:

    @dogonBeats said:
    This seems intriguing. I wonder if VirtualRoom can achieve this effect.

    Now this is interesting. I wonder if I can reproduce the same effect as listening to my monitor speakers..

    I say yes on that question!

    VirtualRoom AU for iPad is really amazing!

  • SlushSlush

    @HolyMoses said:

    @Slush said:

    @dogonBeats said:
    This seems intriguing. I wonder if VirtualRoom can achieve this effect.

    Now this is interesting. I wonder if I can reproduce the same effect as listening to my monitor speakers..

    I say yes on that question!

    VirtualRoom AU for iPad is really amazing!

    Just came across this from Waves https://www.waves.com/plugins/nx?utm_source=redirect&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=nx-virtual-mix-room which is the same idea, maybe more advanced but VirtualRoom is the same idea. This could be awesome, need to get this app.

  • SlushSlush
    edited March 26

    So here is a quick test. What I don’t like so much is the room reverb. I can choose between 3 types of room, but the S room still has a lot of room sound. Placing the speakers closer to the wall help. Will this replace studio monitors.. It is interesting.

  • Robin2Robin2

    @Slush said:
    So here is a quick test. What I don’t like so much is the room reverb. I can choose between 3 types of room, but the S room still has a lot of room sound. Placing the speakers closer to the wall help. Will this replace studio monitors.. It is interesting.

    Can the parameters in VirtualRoom be automated? Are they available to the AU host?

  • SlushSlush

    @Robin2 said:

    @Slush said:
    So here is a quick test. What I don’t like so much is the room reverb. I can choose between 3 types of room, but the S room still has a lot of room sound. Placing the speakers closer to the wall help. Will this replace studio monitors.. It is interesting.

    Can the parameters in VirtualRoom be automated? Are they available to the AU host?

    Yes.

  • richardyotrichardyot

    Hmmm, the loss of gain when you add this plugin is a real problem, the gain drops about 20db.

  • SlushSlush
    edited March 26

    @richardyot said:
    Hmmm, the loss of gain when you add this plugin is a real problem, the gain drops about 20db.

    Yes, use the G (gain) to adjust that.
    To me it’s more a room reverb simulator than anything I would use to simulate a studio environment.

  • HolyMosesHolyMoses

    @Slush said:

    @richardyot said:
    Hmmm, the loss of gain when you add this plugin is a real problem, the gain drops about 20db.

    Yes, use the G (gain) to adjust that.
    To me it’s more a room reverb simulator than anything I would use to simulate a studio environment.

    I don’t agree on the latter…

    Sure, there’s Perhaps something slightly better out there, but, VirtualRoom AU is a fantastic and fun tool in my toolkit box…

  • Robin2Robin2

    @Slush said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Slush said:
    So here is a quick test. What I don’t like so much is the room reverb. I can choose between 3 types of room, but the S room still has a lot of room sound. Placing the speakers closer to the wall help. Will this replace studio monitors.. It is interesting.

    Can the parameters in VirtualRoom be automated? Are they available to the AU host?

    Yes.

    Brilliant, that makes it really interesting, thanks for confirming. Cheers.

  • SlushSlush

    @HolyMoses said:

    @Slush said:

    @richardyot said:
    Hmmm, the loss of gain when you add this plugin is a real problem, the gain drops about 20db.

    Yes, use the G (gain) to adjust that.
    To me it’s more a room reverb simulator than anything I would use to simulate a studio environment.

    I don’t agree on the latter…

    Sure, there’s Perhaps something slightly better out there, but, VirtualRoom AU is a fantastic and fun tool in my toolkit box…

    Well, I am still messing around with it, it’s definitely cool.

  • dogonBeatsdogonBeats

    @Slush said:

    @HolyMoses said:

    @Slush said:

    @richardyot said:
    Hmmm, the loss of gain when you add this plugin is a real problem, the gain drops about 20db.

    Yes, use the G (gain) to adjust that.
    To me it’s more a room reverb simulator than anything I would use to simulate a studio environment.

    I don’t agree on the latter…

    Sure, there’s Perhaps something slightly better out there, but, VirtualRoom AU is a fantastic and fun tool in my toolkit box…

    Well, I am still messing around with it, it’s definitely cool.

    I had a feeling that app was quite useful.. I haven’t used the app at all, but it was the first thing to come to mind when I saw this post.

  • id_23id_23

    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/rum-room-simulator/id1582984465
    On sale right now !

  • SlushSlush

    @id_23 said:
    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/rum-room-simulator/id1582984465
    On sale right now !

    Ok… so this seems to emulate studio environments. Maybe I’ll bite. Anyone experience with this?

  • id_23id_23

    I haven’t but might be tempted to get in the sale…
    :)
    Not exactly what you want, but you might find use in this too if you don’t already :
    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/spatializer/id1574889552

  • SlushSlush

    @id_23 said:
    I haven’t but might be tempted to get in the sale…
    :)
    Not exactly what you want, but you might find use in this too if you don’t already :
    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/spatializer/id1574889552

    Thanks, yes, I have it, it’s great.

  • pbelgiumpbelgium

    Also this app from Blue Mangoo.
    http://ifretless.com/binaural.php

  • TentypeTentype

    @pbelgium said:
    Also this app from Blue Mangoo.
    http://ifretless.com/binaural.php

    Thank you! This was the one i was looking for for Cross-talk emulation. 🙏🏽

    Along with morphit it's perfect for quick headphone mixes. 💕

  • mrufino1mrufino1

    It’s not on iOS, but I use realphones on my Mac and it is a big help when mixing. I had the waves ocean way prior to that, but I got away from using waves. So, if someone similar hits iOS it will be a useful tool.

  • SlushSlush

    @pbelgium said:
    Also this app from Blue Mangoo.
    http://ifretless.com/binaural.php

    Great tip! Will look into this.

  • kirmesteggnokirmesteggno
    edited March 28

    Airwindows Monitoring3 (desktop) is a great free option. There are 4 different crossfeed algos, phone and auratone simulations. There's also one mode simulating Vinyl mastering and the frequencies that make it onto the vinyl.

    Don't have it currently installed because no recent project made it this far into the mixing stage and because I got more used to headphones, but in the past I've used the the previous version over IDAM within Hosting AU (a free very lightweight Mac DAW).

  • SlushSlush

    Not the VirtualRoom or the Binaural app from Blue Mangoo gave me any convincing results, but of course they are not designed for what I want: faking studio monitors in headphones.

    Now this might be an interesting option ‘Binaural Quested Q412 Monitor IRS’.

    “ Binaural Quested Q412 Monitor IRS Including Normal Stereo IR And True Stereo IRS!

    Have you ever wondered how your headphone mixes would sound through a high-end studio monitor such as the Quested Q412 (valued at $50,000) in an acoustically-perfectly matched studio?

    With our binaural Quested Q412 IRS, you can bring that dream studio sound to your headphones and create better mixes.

    This method makes it much easier to judge the bass and pan your tracks accurately

    All you need is a pair of flat-sounding headphones. Use the free Convology XT plugin on the master bus with our Quested IRS to mix your tracks.

    Once you're done, simply mute the plugin for the final mixdown.

    You can also use the Quested Q412 IRS without headphones to simulate the Quested sound on your monitors.

    Our product includes 6 True Stereo and Stereo IRS as WAV and AIFF files, which will help you achieve the best results.

    Don't forget to use 100% WET for optimal sound.”

    https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/mopjvj?layout=profile

  • SlushSlush

    Ok, I bought the IR and here is my test. There are several IRs in the folder, a stereo and also for left and right, so I thought it would be interesting to add two IR players (Byod) to the chain and load a left in one and the right in the other.

  • kirmesteggnokirmesteggno
    edited March 29

    The IRs add quite a lot of bottom end. Curious about how much bootom you can dial into a kick before it sounds overcooked/gabber, and how that almost overcooked kick then sounds in other environments.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @cokomairena said:
    Ive been always curious to know if this can be achieved with impulse responses?

    Yes, if you can find true stereo IRs recorded from the listening position and loaded in a true stereo convolver, plus headphones profile correction.

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @rs2000 said:

    @cokomairena said:
    Ive been always curious to know if this can be achieved with impulse responses?

    Yes, if you can find true stereo IRs recorded from the listening position and loaded in a true stereo convolver, plus headphones profile correction.

    @slush posted some

  • SlushSlush
    edited March 30

    So a ‘true stereo convolver’, I have Byod where I can load the IR and I have AltiSpace 2. Are these considered true stereo convolvers? Or which one is on iOS?

    edit: I found this free stereo IR loader, one for left and right, will try later. If the sound will be different I post a new demo. https://apps.apple.com/nl/app/jamp-ir/id6476031801

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