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iOS Solo Piano Crossfade Comparison: Ravenscroft, Pure, Numa and Pianoteq
I put this 4-way piano crossfade comparison video together after listening to @LinearLineman ‘s ‘Jazz Genesis / Pure Piano v. Pianoteq8’ https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/60150/jazz-genesis-pure-piano-v-pianoteq8#latest and noting the comments from @Lady_App_titude and @McD. I hope it makes for a useful addition to Michael’s play-off. It (re)uses a solo improvisation of mine. Info and my thoughts in the description.
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Thx, Andy. It’s a better comparison than mine. I’d go for Pianoteq, but in a blind comparison I probably couldn’t pick one over the other… but my ears aren’t very good for such discernments. Nice improvisation, too.
Liking your improv! Pianoteq’s hard to beat.
Nice improv and cool comparison!
Personally,I prefer Pianoteq.
Pianoteq for me. Lovely improvisation by the way. I bought Pianoteq a few months ago and love the fact it’s Windows as well as iOS. I also love Numa player for the ability to blend sounds, but it still doesn’t work in Logic Pro. I emailed the dev but had no response.
Hey @LinearLineman, not better, just different. And great to hear those snaky SWAM horn lines! Had I have used the Pure Piano Bright preset, I think I would have trouble differentiating it against Ravenscroft in a blind listening. But for me in this demo the Numa is characterised by a relatively short sustain and the Pianoteq by a sustain that goes on and on.
Paraphrasing what you said before, it’s amazing not only how good all these pianos sound and on iOS too and with low latency.
Pianoteq has this thing where every note sounds like...I don't know how to describe it.
It's like there is an attack envelope on it, or the transient doesn't quite blend with the rest of the sound because it's shifted forward in time relative to where it should be. I don't know what I'm hearing.
Does anyone else hear what I'm talking about?
Numa doesn’t make the cut… but it does have a muted quality that could be useful.
But for “felt” pianos I go to my Decent Sampler folder of PianoBook instruments.
Numa Player does also have E-Pianos, Mallet Percussion, Clav, Strings and Pads for the cost of $0. So, be sure to pick it up.
The other piano apps 3 are all excellent with Pure being the bargain.
@MrStochastic, @zvon, @BillS your comments very much appreciated. This project has rather back-fired. It started so I could demo the new resonance feature of Pure against Ravenscroft. I hadn’t realised there was such a functional demo available from Modartt but once I added that to the panel, the genie was out of the bottle.
Thank you too for the kind words on the improv (not totally free but no more prepared than four chords on the back of an envelope).
Originally, I put the piece up on YT voiced using the 100MB PianoBook Church Steinway EXS24 sample pack on AudioLayer / NanoStudio 2. There’s definitely something about matching the music to the piano tone / ambiance.
Hi @Skyblazer, can’t say I’ve noticed anything off with the Pianoteq attack but my ear is drawn to the sustain which seems to have an unnaturally long decay. I setup a progressive damper pedal (actually a Yamaha HH80 hi-hat controller and some Mozaic code to change the CC and invert the sense) to see how that affected the sustain. Doesn’t affect the decay at full damper off and half-damper is very subtle. My demo and comment relate to the NY Steinway D - is your attack observation preset specific?
Totally agree @McD. Can’t have too many pianos. They each have their place. Numa Player Clavinet is part of my live rig and Numa is free cross-platform so I have it on my Intel Mac also. PianoBook is a great resource - you might have the pack I used in the above video already:
https://www.pianobook.co.uk/packs/church-steinway/
@AndyHoneybone I haven’t looked at the ESX24 instruments on PianoBook.co.uk yet.
But I’ve got about 70GB of Decent Sampler instruments and everything including Decent Sampler is free.
@AndyHoneybone My observation isn't specific to any preset. I was thinking maybe it would be one of those "You can't ignore it once you hear it" type of things but I guess not.
It's interesting how somebody else can hear it and not think that it sounds "uncanny valley" at all. I wonder what people in the future will think when they hear physical modeling stuff from our era.