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Best plug-in or way to emulate an analog mixing board?

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  • edited April 14

    I recently purchased a Mackie 32 console IR and Nar emulation. I just noticed when I use the .Nam. bus file in the player,it’s mono. Does anyone know why? I then tried the IR in Chow (BYOD) and set it to linear phase at 1X / stereo and it played the master bus in stereo. Thanks as always :)

  • edited April 14

    @Fingolfinzz said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    They're mostly pre-compressor EQ and compressor settings for different compressor types (he recommends different compressor types depending on the instrument).

    I will have to look through that book. Right now, I’ve been mostly focused on capturing the saturation etc of hardware units but have been planning on doing some more “universal” settings to capture as well with some of the more sought after stuff like Pultec and the 1073. I know it mostly depends on your source but a high lift on like a 1073 sounds good on quite a lot of stuff. The AI captures can do snapshot of compression as well but I’ve run into compressors being even more source dependent than EQs but I have liked the results I’ve gotten from the 1176 and it does work on a lot of stuff. The Studer and Telefunkens I’ve played with got the tape compression captures as well so I’d definitely like to try that out

    At first I was bummed out about the book because I've espected more, but I could definetely hear the value when I translated some of the settings into Logic and the different compressors in there. There are 50 pages like this and then some diagrams for mixing templates (he uses a variation of the brauerize method).

    For Techno or experimental genres it's not that relevant, e.g. right now I'm mostly using Dials as my go to channel strip and adjust to ear. But for a traditional mixing job or project the book could be gold.

  • I’ve had ChowDSP a while now, but haven’t used it much until this useful thread.. The guitar ML is nice sounding indeed, thank you @Fingolfinzz for your explanations.

    I’ve got myself in a pickle. Out of curiosity, I searched and found EMU SP-12 converters on Gumroad. I listened to the Demo and got too excited and purchased, but it’s for Genome or NAM. The amp IR or Guitar GL isn’t compatible. Will any of the Chow modules work on them? I have a feeling I’m SOL, Thoughts @Slush ?

  • @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    I’ve had ChowDSP a while now, but haven’t used it much until this useful thread.. The guitar ML is nice sounding indeed, thank you @Fingolfinzz for your explanations.

    I’ve got myself in a pickle. Out of curiosity, I searched and found EMU SP-12 converters on Gumroad. I listened to the Demo and got too excited and purchased, but it’s for Genome or NAM. The amp IR or Guitar GL isn’t compatible. Will any of the Chow modules work on them? I have a feeling I’m SOL, Thoughts @Slush ?

    I don’t know. PTFR does have the SP1200 IR https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/PTOIL?layout=profile

  • @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    I’ve had ChowDSP a while now, but haven’t used it much until this useful thread.. The guitar ML is nice sounding indeed, thank you @Fingolfinzz for your explanations.

    I’ve got myself in a pickle. Out of curiosity, I searched and found EMU SP-12 converters on Gumroad. I listened to the Demo and got too excited and purchased, but it’s for Genome or NAM. The amp IR or Guitar GL isn’t compatible. Will any of the Chow modules work on them? I have a feeling I’m SOL, Thoughts @Slush ?

    Yeah there isn’t anything on iOS right now that can load NAM profiles. I saw that the developer for NAM is working on porting it to iOS but that was a bit ago so desktop is your only option at the moment

  • edited April 16

    @Fingolfinzz said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    I’ve had ChowDSP a while now, but haven’t used it much until this useful thread.. The guitar ML is nice sounding indeed, thank you @Fingolfinzz for your explanations.

    I’ve got myself in a pickle. Out of curiosity, I searched and found EMU SP-12 converters on Gumroad. I listened to the Demo and got too excited and purchased, but it’s for Genome or NAM. The amp IR or Guitar GL isn’t compatible. Will any of the Chow modules work on them? I have a feeling I’m SOL, Thoughts @Slush ?

    Yeah there isn’t anything on iOS right now that can load NAM profiles. I saw that the developer for NAM is working on porting it to iOS but that was a bit ago so desktop is your only option at the moment

    Yeah, i tried it in my desktop DAW, Ableton) and it sounded kinda cool. I downloaded a Mackie 32 bus and it sounds very “‘90s! Chow though is great as well! It’s become one of my favorite saturation plug-ins. I haven’t tried Saturn 2, but heard it’s awesome, but pricey.

  • @Slush said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    I’ve had ChowDSP a while now, but haven’t used it much until this useful thread.. The guitar ML is nice sounding indeed, thank you @Fingolfinzz for your explanations.

    I’ve got myself in a pickle. Out of curiosity, I searched and found EMU SP-12 converters on Gumroad. I listened to the Demo and got too excited and purchased, but it’s for Genome or NAM. The amp IR or Guitar GL isn’t compatible. Will any of the Chow modules work on them? I have a feeling I’m SOL, Thoughts @Slush ?

    I don’t know. PTFR does have the SP1200 IR https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/PTOIL?layout=profile

    Yup. When I bought the EMU I was deciding which of those two to get first 😂

    Good thing I didn’t buy some bundle. Gum road is new to me and so are IRs, so I foolishly assumed GR was all this IR related.

    We’ll, at least I still have RX95O to keep me in the territories till next month.

  • edited April 16

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:

    @Slush said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    I’ve had ChowDSP a while now, but haven’t used it much until this useful thread.. The guitar ML is nice sounding indeed, thank you @Fingolfinzz for your explanations.

    I’ve got myself in a pickle. Out of curiosity, I searched and found EMU SP-12 converters on Gumroad. I listened to the Demo and got too excited and purchased, but it’s for Genome or NAM. The amp IR or Guitar GL isn’t compatible. Will any of the Chow modules work on them? I have a feeling I’m SOL, Thoughts @Slush ?

    I don’t know. PTFR does have the SP1200 IR https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/PTOIL?layout=profile

    Yup. When I bought the EMU I was deciding which of those two to get first 😂

    Good thing I didn’t buy some bundle. Gum road is new to me and so are IRs, so I foolishly assumed GR was all this IR related.

    We’ll, at least I still have RX95O to keep me in the territories till next month.

    Gumroad sells everything, art as well, it’s an interesting platform. You can open a shop on Gumroad and start selling stuff. Anyway, the makers of RX950 are going to release a SP1200 app for the iOS, something I am looking forward to B)

  • I still have quite a few profiles up on my page all for guitarML, free stuff and some premium. They aren’t IRs, just AI profiles for GuitarML

    https://chamber93grit.gumroad.com/

    I’m working on getting a SP1200 but converters take a lot more time to sample. I’d like to do some other converters too, does anyone have anything they would like to see besides the SP? I have a SK-5 I’m planning on sampling and was thinking about some MPC converters too.

  • @Slush said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:

    @Slush said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    I’ve had ChowDSP a while now, but haven’t used it much until this useful thread.. The guitar ML is nice sounding indeed, thank you @Fingolfinzz for your explanations.

    I’ve got myself in a pickle. Out of curiosity, I searched and found EMU SP-12 converters on Gumroad. I listened to the Demo and got too excited and purchased, but it’s for Genome or NAM. The amp IR or Guitar GL isn’t compatible. Will any of the Chow modules work on them? I have a feeling I’m SOL, Thoughts @Slush ?

    I don’t know. PTFR does have the SP1200 IR https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/PTOIL?layout=profile

    Yup. When I bought the EMU I was deciding which of those two to get first 😂

    Good thing I didn’t buy some bundle. Gum road is new to me and so are IRs, so I foolishly assumed GR was all this IR related.

    We’ll, at least I still have RX95O to keep me in the territories till next month.

    Gumroad sells everything, art as well, it’s an interesting platform. You can open a shop on Gumroad and start selling stuff. Anyway, the makers of RX950 are going to release a SP1200 app for the iOS, something I am looking forward to B)

    Sweet. That’ll be cool.
    Yeah I mean, I’ve heard Gumroad mentioned quite a few times on the forum over the years, I’m just mad I slept on it for so long. I love that there seem to be a YouTube or Soundcloud link samples for everything I’ve checked out so far.

    @Fingolfinzz said:
    I still have quite a few profiles up on my page all for guitarML, free stuff and some premium. They aren’t IRs, just AI profiles for GuitarML

    https://chamber93grit.gumroad.com/

    I’m working on getting a SP1200 but converters take a lot more time to sample. I’d like to do some other converters too, does anyone have anything they would like to see besides the SP? I have a SK-5 I’m planning on sampling and was thinking about some MPC converters too.

    Trust me I have planned to check out your profiles! I really like the TS9 on percussion!

  • I will definitely be happy for any old school profiles like an MPC60 /S950 sampler or of course an EMU :) Thanks.

  • Sweet, I’ll see what I can do about those. The 950 is one I’ve been really wanting to get sampled so I’ve been on the hunt for that one. I’ll get my SK5 sampled in the meantime. I have a Volca Sample 2 as well but those converters aren’t that interesting, they downsample a bit to around 32k but it’s not really noticeable until you pitch down a good bit.

  • @Fingolfinzz said:
    Sweet, I’ll see what I can do about those. The 950 is one I’ve been really wanting to get sampled so I’ve been on the hunt for that one. I’ll get my SK5 sampled in the meantime. I have a Volca Sample 2 as well but those converters aren’t that interesting, they downsample a bit to around 32k but it’s not really noticeable until you pitch down a good bit.

    Did you know the RX950 is available as an app? https://apps.apple.com/nl/app/rx950-classic-ad-da-converter/id1406136418

  • @Slush said:

    @Fingolfinzz said:
    Sweet, I’ll see what I can do about those. The 950 is one I’ve been really wanting to get sampled so I’ve been on the hunt for that one. I’ll get my SK5 sampled in the meantime. I have a Volca Sample 2 as well but those converters aren’t that interesting, they downsample a bit to around 32k but it’s not really noticeable until you pitch down a good bit.

    Did you know the RX950 is available as an app? https://apps.apple.com/nl/app/rx950-classic-ad-da-converter/id1406136418

    no way!! Cool..I wonder how it sounds.. Akai S-950 was my first sampler.

  • @Slush yeah I have that one actually. It’s not bad but I’d really like to get the real thing sampled, at least for the color. I’ve been having a hard time wanting to use any plugins for color anymore cos the stuff I’ve sampled from hardware just sounds so much better in shootouts compared to the plugin counterparts

  • @Fingolfinzz said:
    @Slush yeah I have that one actually. It’s not bad but I’d really like to get the real thing sampled, at least for the color. I’ve been having a hard time wanting to use any plugins for color anymore cos the stuff I’ve sampled from hardware just sounds so much better in shootouts compared to the plugin counterparts

    Yeah I’ll wait for your samples version:) An SP1200 would be interesting.

  • @Fingolfinzz said:
    @Slush yeah I have that one actually. It’s not bad but I’d really like to get the real thing sampled, at least for the color. I’ve been having a hard time wanting to use any plugins for color anymore cos the stuff I’ve sampled from hardware just sounds so much better in shootouts compared to the plugin counterparts

    I had an Akai sampler back in the 90s, I remember it sounded very ‘metallic’ and could only sample a few seconds. I think it was 12bit or so, can’t remember. Maybe an IR? :# https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/FymBUx?layout=profile

  • edited April 18

    @Slush said:

    @Fingolfinzz said:
    @Slush yeah I have that one actually. It’s not bad but I’d really like to get the real thing sampled, at least for the color. I’ve been having a hard time wanting to use any plugins for color anymore cos the stuff I’ve sampled from hardware just sounds so much better in shootouts compared to the plugin counterparts

    I had an Akai sampler back in the 90s, I remember it sounded very ‘metallic’ and could only sample a few seconds. I think it was 12bit or so, can’t remember. Maybe an IR? :# https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/FymBUx?layout=profile

    Yeah, the sampling time was pretty limited. It just amazes me how much good music was made with limitations. Less is more. No big DAW,s and hands on the gear. Bless those creative times. Man relies too much on technology now.

  • @Antos3345 said:

    @Slush said:

    @Fingolfinzz said:
    @Slush yeah I have that one actually. It’s not bad but I’d really like to get the real thing sampled, at least for the color. I’ve been having a hard time wanting to use any plugins for color anymore cos the stuff I’ve sampled from hardware just sounds so much better in shootouts compared to the plugin counterparts

    I had an Akai sampler back in the 90s, I remember it sounded very ‘metallic’ and could only sample a few seconds. I think it was 12bit or so, can’t remember. Maybe an IR? :# https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/FymBUx?layout=profile

    Yeah, the sampling time was pretty limited. It just amazes me how much good music was made with limitations. Less is more. No big DAW,s and hands on the gear. Bless those creative times. Man relies too much on technology now.

    The only digital workflow I had was some sort of a sequencer on my Amiga, I think it was called a tracker or something, can’t remember, but also a hardware sequencer. You had to figure out stuff on these tiny one/two row lcd displays :D
    It’s so much better now, but the only drawback is that we have too many options to choose from and this limits creativity. Less is better, in the hardware days nobody could afford buying 20 synths and a ton of fx. We are spoiled now.

  • edited April 18

    @Antos3345 said:
    I will definitely be happy for any old school profiles like an MPC60 /S950 sampler or of course an EMU :) Thanks.

    @Antos3345

    https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/dvcxob?layout=profile

    https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/ggnop?layout=profile

  • @Slush said:

    @Fingolfinzz said:
    @Slush yeah I have that one actually. It’s not bad but I’d really like to get the real thing sampled, at least for the color. I’ve been having a hard time wanting to use any plugins for color anymore cos the stuff I’ve sampled from hardware just sounds so much better in shootouts compared to the plugin counterparts

    I had an Akai sampler back in the 90s, I remember it sounded very ‘metallic’ and could only sample a few seconds. I think it was 12bit or so, can’t remember. Maybe an IR? :# https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/FymBUx?layout=profile

    Yeah that metallic bit crushing sound is what I’m after and like running into the converters hot. Those IRs are cool but they wouldn’t get the nonlinear aspects so I’ll just have to get my hands on the real thing. I live relatively close to Chicago though so I’m going to try and take a day trip out there soon to go on an equipment excursion cos there is a lot of gear out there.

  • edited April 18

    @Fingolfinzz said:

    @Slush said:

    @Fingolfinzz said:
    @Slush yeah I have that one actually. It’s not bad but I’d really like to get the real thing sampled, at least for the color. I’ve been having a hard time wanting to use any plugins for color anymore cos the stuff I’ve sampled from hardware just sounds so much better in shootouts compared to the plugin counterparts

    I had an Akai sampler back in the 90s, I remember it sounded very ‘metallic’ and could only sample a few seconds. I think it was 12bit or so, can’t remember. Maybe an IR? :# https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/FymBUx?layout=profile

    Yeah that metallic bit crushing sound is what I’m after and like running into the converters hot. Those IRs are cool but they wouldn’t get the nonlinear aspects so I’ll just have to get my hands on the real thing. I live relatively close to Chicago though so I’m going to try and take a day trip out there soon to go on an equipment excursion cos there is a lot of gear out there.

    @Fingolfinzz

    https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/dvcxob?layout=profile

    https://pasttofuturereverbs.gumroad.com/l/ggnop?layout=profile

  • @stormbeats right on, did they capture it pretty well? I’m impressed they got them with such a good error readout too. I tried a couple thing with my sk5 but was just getting terrible results and a lot of attenuation and high end loss

  • Speaking of which, I also tried something out with some sp1200 samples. I found some one shots that had been sampled through one and then found some relatively close dry samples and created some music with those and the SP samples. The error rates are awful and there’s about -35db attenuation and it just murders the high end. But it does do a little bit to the low end. Since these are complete failures, I’ll just post them all here if anyone wants to play with them. Pushing them too hard into GuitarML destroys the sound too much so I just boost with my second clean gain in addition to the gain on GuitarML.

  • @Fingolfinzz said:
    @stormbeats right on, did they capture it pretty well? I’m impressed they got them with such a good error readout too. I tried a couple thing with my sk5 but was just getting terrible results and a lot of attenuation and high end loss

    @Fingolfinzz yep the mpc60/s950 sound really good when I push the levels into them. I have a hardware s950 and these profiles sound very much like my 950

  • @Fingolfinzz said:
    Speaking of which, I also tried something out with some sp1200 samples. I found some one shots that had been sampled through one and then found some relatively close dry samples and created some music with those and the SP samples. The error rates are awful and there’s about -35db attenuation and it just murders the high end. But it does do a little bit to the low end. Since these are complete failures, I’ll just post them all here if anyone wants to play with them. Pushing them too hard into GuitarML destroys the sound too much so I just boost with my second clean gain in addition to the gain on GuitarML.

    @Fingolfinzz thanks I will try them :)

  • Thanks .. look forward to trying them!

  • @stormbeats hell yeah I’m glad to hear it can be done! I wish I could pick their brain on how they got them with such great results. I’m going to try the sampling method with my SK today and see how my results are. The SP ones are pretty whack but you might be able to find some use with them. I only used drums as a source for that audio file so maybe if I get some guitar, bass, and keys I can get better results without so much loss in the high end.

  • edited April 18

    @Fingolfinzz @Antos3345 and everyone. Here’s a quick beat I made in Beatmaker3 using BYOD / GuitarML and Pasttofuturereverbs Akai MPC60 12bit sampler AI profile & Studer J37 AI profile. No plugins used Just these .json profiles & Pasttofuturereverbs API EQ .json profile. All profiles on just one BUS / Aux The sound I’am getting from these profiles as well as @Fingolfinzz excellent AI profiles which I have used on other beats is incredible. I’ve today literally deleted a lot of my auv3 plugins and will be using AI profiles from here onwards…

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