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Understanding Animoog Z keyboard and getting the same feel from a piano roll?
I have been trying out Animoog Z and many of the sounds are quite amazing . I just find when I am playing notes from it’s internal keyboard, it sounds better and a lot of of expression, but when I try just sequencing it from a piano roll like Atom, it loses all the mood. How can I get it the same feel like from the Animoog keyboard in a piano roll? Thanks as always 
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You need a sequencer / pianoroll that supports recording and playing back MPE controller data. Xequence is one that does. There may be others ☺️
Ah ok.. that new technology. Does Ableton send out this from its piano roll? I guess that Push 2/3 does this well.
I have Atom and Drambo. Hmmm
That Xequence looks pretty nice though.
Neither Atom nor Drambo record Animoog's output with sufficient accuracy for playing back Animoog. You can use the free Midi Tape Recorder app but it doesn't have any editing ability. Xequence 2, as mentioned can edit the MPE data. You might be able to use Midi Tape Recorder for convenience recording and export the midi to X2 if you need to edit. I haven't tried that hybrid combination though.
I think those are the only two options.
Is it possible to use the Animoog keyboard to record into a midi sequencer maybe ? I don’t understand the point of this keyboard if one can’t sequence it. Maybe in Ableton ?
It's possible to record to any midi sequencer. However, Midi Tape Recorder and Xequence 2 are the only ones that I know of that have the needed MPE recording and level of accuracy to work well enough to provide a decent playback experience when using expression.
Midi Tape Recorder was developed by the Animoog developer at the time specifically to bridge this gap.
Thanks for your help and information. It seems both of those sequencers could do the job. Between them,, which one is better option because they are almost the same price.
Btw midi tape recorder isnt free anymore
Midi Tape Recorder has no editing capabilities whatsoever (as the name implies), so if you want to tweak anything about your performance after recording, then Xequence is the more appropriate choice.
As mentioned, X2 is the only one with editing, and it has vastly more capability.
The only advantage of Midi Tape Recorder is that it's an an AUv3 plugin.
Thanks again. It’s always an ongoing learning experience:)
I just learned myself Atom 2 sequencer supports MPE:)
No I don’t think it does…
Atom 2 supports recording MPE, however not accurately enough and completely enough for decent playback of Animoog Z. Midi Tape Recorder and Xequence 2 (and possibly Logic Pro?) are the only apps I know of that fully support Animoog. Midi Tape recorder was written for just that purpose.
A somewhat related question, as it's about Animoog z and MPE. I tried using kb-1 to control Animoog X, in the same configuration that works fine with other synths, but when using CC74 while several notes are held the modulation gets skippy. On top of that polyphonic pitch bend doesn't seem to work, if I just glide one note in a chord all notes bend. I was wondering, if Animoog is not set to take in MPE-input, but I can't find an option to turn it on. Does anyone have the same problem, or maybe a solution?
Update: setting KB-1 to send polyphonic aftertouch on slide fixes the skippy modulation, but pitch bending just one note in a chord still doesn't work.
Check the output of KB-1 with a MIDI monitor. It may be sending glide on the control channel (1), not on the channel assigned to the specific note. KB-1 has some peculiarities; this may just be another.
Thanks for the reply. I checked, and the pitch bend messages are not on channel 1, but change all the time. Apart from that KB-1 works fine with other synths. I did a quick check with Tomofon and the problem doesn't appear. So I suspect, if there's a solution it would be changing some setting in Animoog Z, but which?
Not sure. I remember there was a similar discussion (gliding chords, not notes) when Animoog Z first came out. It might be a flaw in the app. Hard to say.
I'm still searching threads, but it seems that Animoog Z is using portamento in addition to or instead of MPE pitch bend for per note glide.
Mentions of this are scattered all over the place and none is definitive or even very clear (to me), but I'm pretty sure the Animoog Z per-note pitch implementation needs more than just pitch bend, which is also related to how few midi recorders can accurately capture an Animoog Z performance.
One of the more clear side conversations is here: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/1046730/#Comment_1046730
(It sort of stands to reason that if capturing and playing back the output is tricky, then sending midi in the way Animoog Z expects could be problematic as well. 🤷🏼♂️)
In animoog z go to settings/midi and choose mpe for input and output.
Then you can use kb1 or velocity keys
Ah, ok. Then this makes sense, I guess: If you use the inbuilt keyboard you get glide, depending on the glide- and cor.-knobs. But they are part of the keyboard and cannot be addressed by a midi input. A pity, as I get along better with grid-style controllers, but still a great synth, I just turn glide off in kb-1. Thanks for looking into it.
Maybe not a flaw, but just doing things differently from other MPE-synths, maybe because there's no real standard. Weird though that you can use the app as an MPE-controller, that works with synths that work differently.
Damn. I finally got to actually test on the iPad and per note pitch bend from KB-1 is working fine for me after checking MPE settings per @Alfred's post.
Forget all that rubbish I wrote above.
@wim good you mentioned @alfred 's post, I didn't see it, because I was writing my post s the time. Damn I thought that's what I did, but it was set to Omni. Now it's working fine. Thanks everyone:)
The original animoog was pre mpe and used portamento for pitchbend on a single midi channel.
Mpe was introduced later after lobbying by Geert Bevin who was playing the Eigenharp wich uses mpe.
Now Geert is the lead programmer at Moog. He has brought us Model 15, Model D, Animoog Z and Mariana.
Yes, Animoog Z uses the portamento controller as well (per-note), with extreme sensitivity to the timing of those controller events 🙄 but Xequence should properly record, play back and edit those as well, per-note.
Atom2 records mpe too though. What level of accuracy is missing?
@Antos3345 you still won't be able to draw in that expression in Atom2. If you want atom2 output to be mpe, you will need to play mpe into it. So basically you should use the animoog keyboard to record your notes into atom2 and it should then play things back identically. Midi Tape Recorder is also a great auv3 solution for that kind of recording and playback.
Sorry man, I don't feel like wading through the many posts about this and then trying to put it into concise thoughts. It's not too hard to search them out though. The discussions are detailed but clear. In fact, Geert Bevin developed Midi Tape Recorder specifically to address this shortcoming.
Except it (Atom 2) doesn't play it back cleanly. It's easy enough to try if you like. Only Midi Tape Recorder and Xequence 2 are up to the job.
OK! Guess I'll skip the search tho, and just stick to using midi tape recorder for that then
I haven't tested the MPE accuracy.
The thing is MPE is still just MIDI so you’ll record something, just don’t expect the expression to be captured as if playing the keyboard from animoog.
MPE uses one channel per note so you can have portamento, pitchbend, aftertouch per note. Animoog does its own flavor of MPE last I checked, but unless things changed and I missed it, only apps that handle it are X2 and midi tape recorder (record only)