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Plethora of sequencers now for IOS. Patterning 3 still worth it?
Neon, Octachron, Beat Scholar and on an on. So much potential.
Just makes me wonder if it makes sense to these days to add Patterning 3 to the mix? What does it offer that is unique? For me its particularly hard choice since I've been enjoying Harmony Bloom on desktop so much and they seem to have similar paradigms.
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Harmony Bloom (HB) only really resembles Patterning 3 (P3) in that they both have circular designs
The way P3 works, the core concept, is entirely different. HB (like the NI Reaktor ensemble "Spiral" it is based on) uses a connected string of nodes positioned algorithmically using settings around the circle, and these trigger notes as they pass over certain lines in the circle.
We might say that in HB the moving notes are triggered as they pass across a fixed playhead, whereas in P3 it is the moving playhead that moves and it triggers slices as it passes across them. This is the more familiar grid-based drum machine grid concept, except that it is bent round into a series of concentric circles.
In P3, the circular grid is populated with slices that can be manipulated individually and altered using LFOs and randomisation, and the circle can represent sample triggers, FX levels etc. P3 has a great deal of depth, many ways to add variation and humanisation to the loop, and loops each have their own settings, so it's possible to set up Euclidian and other type rhythms.
So the resemblance is only a surface one, and after that they are really not that similar at all.
Wow, thanks for this useful information!!
We might say that in HB the moving notes are triggered as they pass across a fixed playhead, whereas in P3 it is the moving playhead that moves and it triggers slices as it passes across them. This is the more familiar grid-based drum machine grid concept, except that it is bent round into a series of concentric circles. So they are similar in that they both employ a playhead of sorts.
Whereas in HB there are fixed playheads shared by all nodes, in P3 each track has its own playhead, loop length, speed and direction settings, and a host of other variations which make for a crazy level of creative possibilities.
What about those online user kits/libraries you could access in P2? Some oh those were really good and the variety on them
Would you say more creative possibilities that something like Euclidean sequencer? Sounds like that.
I'm not familiar with that app (if that's what you refer to by "Euclidian Sequencer"?), but P3 allows up to 8 independent rhythm tracks each of which can have separate loop lengths (numbers of steps), step lengths, clock divisions etc, so all kinds of polyrhythmic/polymetric setups are possible.
Yeh, I was thinking of 4Pockets Euclidean Sequencer. Sounds functionally similar.
I love Patterning for the HUGE variety of creative kits and the ability to switch said kits on the fly. All with either multi-out recording in AUM or multitrack export. Nothing checks these boxes on iOS that I know of and now with AUv3 coming it is a total no-brainer to re-up my Patterning purchase. Plus the support is great. It's one of the only apps I can think of where it isn't even a question for me to grab the next one without waiting for reviews / etc. But yah, if you are just midi out dude then maybe there are plenty of options.
Rozeta Rhythm is another Euclidean drum sequencer.
I was hung up on patterning 3 , like really torn on the same question and it made me look at other options since it’s one months away
I accidentally found auto fills drum fill generator
I combined it and
Octachron + Auto fills = pretty damn amazing
I finally found the drum sequencer I have been idealizing with this combo - definitely as close to what I was looking for as I could get
The auto fills generation and smart randomization on both apps perfectly works for me and my drums/hardware - most importantly they are for hardware too if that matters to you
So maybe check the combo out , it’s like $15 total after tax ; and if you can wait for octachron sale it’s like $11. Best
I spent on drums on iOS besides one or two really amazing drum apps
Interesting, I will check into these for sure. Thanks!
Thank you for this! Good feedback! I don't know if I'm a midi out guy.
I think what Gus means are you sequencing AU or hardware..I would be a “midi out” guy in that my drum apps now have to be able to control my hardware drum machines , not just software Audio Units
O, ha, I didn't get that. Thanks for clarification.
Octa+Autofills=Drumcomputer’s sequencing and fill slider.
How much is it? ( does it do midi mappin/out for hardware?
I have always liked the multitude of free kits provided by patterning apps, on top of its unique circular approach and workflow. I’m not saying you must buy, but i believe it definitely has its place. It’s still just under a month or so away from release, so sometime to think about it…
That is pretty much my go to drum sequencing set up since auto fills came out.
The sequencer in DrumComputer is by far the most directly accessible one I've used. I use it to sequence 4 other drum instruments and another instance of DC with hats and percussion. But it's a performance pig. If you use it to sequence itself from a midi track it doesn't use more CPU than a single instance though.
Looking forward to Patterning, looks very direct too.
Oh yah, Drum Computer is great, love it
I contacted the Patterning developer suggesting they add more time signatures on the File page. These currently stop at 16 (which can be denominated 2, 4, 8, 16).
True, using the Steps function on the Pattern page you can set cycles of any number of beats.
You can also set up Indian Jog Taal (31 beats) as alternating patterns of 16/4 and 15/4; or of 8/4 + 8/4 + 7/4 + 8/4 (this also works for Beat Scholar and Riffler, but not Riffler Flow, which defaults to vanilla-flavoured 4/4 so far).
But if you’re into ‘odd cycles’, you really need that time signature on the File page before you start messing around (and messing up) with chains of different beat counts. So my hopes are up that P3 adds the explicit time signatures.
(Sugarbytes is in my top 10 dev on iOS . I think they knock it outta the park,release after release. But they are the premium, premier of whatever it is. In this case drums with drum computer being the best on iPadOS . For $27 I have no doubt that it is. When it’s $10-15 I’ll bite for sure. I owe hot strange that
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Thx so much for this. I was half thinking they had the issue of odd time signatures “fixed” compared to the [similarly circular setup) pizza pies of best scholars but it seems that’s the drawback of this construction? Odd times have to either be “fixes” or “workarounds” and some aren’t achievable at all. I don’t always use them but I like to use 9/8, 7/8, 5/6 ,6/8,8/4,5/8, and occasional 8/7 or 6/4…odd times were kind of implied as a selling point with microtime adjustments?
I might be totally wrong but I had similar questions about times
Time for Lumbeat to auv3 a couple of instruments (mid east drummer most of all followed by rock drum machine) and play catchup while still posed to strike before someone else seizes the moment
Good info