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What Is Real ? (melodic techno, HW jam, digitakt+digitone+JD08+ProVSmini+S1)

New piece .. very happy with this setup, 8 sample tracks + 8 poly synth tracks (4 digitone, and 4 external synths sequenced from digitone midi tracks) seems like perfect for me ..

Comments

  • That was a rea trip. Love it.

  • @AlexY said:
    That was a rea trip. Love it.

    thanks !

  • Looks like a lot of fun! Do you practice every day?

    Do you use sounds within your patterns reminding you to take action and bring in another element or is it all freestyle? I tried to listen for those sounds but if you use them they're well hidden. Can't really say much about the track itself other than that it sounds nice, I'm not into melodic/trance and haven't really developed an ear for it.

  • edited April 2024

    @kirmesteggno said:
    Looks like a lot of fun! Do you practice every day?

    absolutely not :-D most of time i am overloaded with daily job and when i am not then i am most of time with my family .. having little to no time for music (usually 1-2 hours in evening when son is sleeping and wife watching netflix lol) .. sometimes when i am tired (or lazy :)) i do not touch mi gear for weeks ..

    Do you use sounds within your patterns reminding you to take action and bring in another element or is it all freestyle?

    absolute freestyle .. i build pattern (this one took approx 4-5 hours to build, so few evenings).. i know what is on which track (i use usually same structure for my patterns - eg. kick on track1, snare on 2, hihats on 3,4, etc) - and then i just improvise muting / unmuting tracks and tweaking knobs (mostly cutoff) ... which means there is zero chance i play same thing identically two times - but a kinda like this, because such recorded session then captures some moment of time which will never repeat again .. since i started make music primary this way, i have MUCH MUCH more fun with it ..

  • @dendy said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    Looks like a lot of fun! Do you practice every day?

    absolutely not :-D most of time i am overloaded with daily job and when i am not then i am most of time with my family .. having little to no time for music (usually 1-2 hours in evening when son is sleeping and wife watching netflix lol) .. sometimes when i am tired (or lazy :)) i do not touch mi gear for weeks ..

    Having a family and doing this is cool man, you're talented.

    Do you use sounds within your patterns reminding you to take action and bring in another element or is it all freestyle?

    absolute freestyle .. i build pattern (this one took approx 4-5 hours to build, so few evenings).. i know what is on which track (i use usually same structure for my patterns - eg. kick on track1, snare on 2, hihats on 3,4, etc) - and then i just improvise muting / unmuting tracks and tweaking knobs (mostly cutoff) ... which means there is zero chance i play same thing identically two times - but a kinda like this, because such recorded session then captures some moment of time which will never repeat again .. since i started make music primary this way, i have MUCH MUCH more fun with it ..

    Seems like a great workflow to also create songs from the different recorded takes from jamming if you can record the individual tracks. E.g. use the same patterns for a month and record all the jams, and then cut the best parts into tracks.

    Thanks for the inspiration, a jamming oriented workflow is probably the real deal for Techno and similar genres.

  • edited April 2024

    @kirmesteggno
    Seems like a great workflow to also create songs from the different recorded takes from jamming if you can record the individual tracks. E.g. use the same patterns for a month and record all the jams, and then cut the best parts into track

    hm that’s interesting idea .. yes you can record multi track using usb into computer daw.. maybe i will try this idea at some point ..

  • edited April 2024

    @dendy said:

    @kirmesteggno
    Seems like a great workflow to also create songs from the different recorded takes from jamming if you can record the individual tracks. E.g. use the same patterns for a month and record all the jams, and then cut the best parts into track

    hm that’s interesting idea .. yes you can record multi track using usb into computer daw.. maybe i will try this idea at some point ..

    I'm doing something similar in AUM, but without jamming out a track. I work on a 4 or 8 bar loop and try to make it really dense with a lot of layered elements (extracted with return tracks), and once I have enough then record the loop and then dump all the recorded stems into Abletons session view and go from there.

    I spend quite some time with other computer stuff and don't like to open Ableton every day. The iPad is great because I can mess with it while I'm working out (exercise bike) or when I'm just chilling on the couch or in bed.

    I thought about a gear corner as an alternative because the live performance thing seems interesting also could generate different and maybe more organic variations.

  • edited April 2024

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @dendy said:

    @kirmesteggno
    Seems like a great workflow to also create songs from the different recorded takes from jamming if you can record the individual tracks. E.g. use the same patterns for a month and record all the jams, and then cut the best parts into track

    hm that’s interesting idea .. yes you can record multi track using usb into computer daw.. maybe i will try this idea at some point ..

    I'm doing something similar in AUM, but without jamming out a track. I work on a 4 or 8 bar loop and try to make it really dense with a lot of layered elements (extracted with return tracks), and once I have enough then record the loop and then dump all the recorded stems into Abletons session view and go from there.

    I spend quite some time with other computer stuff and don't like to open Ableton every day. The iPad is great because I can mess with it while I'm working out (exercise bike) or when I'm just chilling on the couch or in bed.

    I thought about a gear corner as an alternative because the live performance thing seems interesting also could generate different and maybe more organic variations.

    yeah the live factor is the funny part .. i must admit i don't enjoy puting things together in DAW that much - i just enjoy the preparation phase and then the jamming phase .. with HW grooveboxes / synths for me it feels like making music with actual instrument :) Sometimes i also make full track in DAW - in that case i use iPad (and Nanostudio 2) but that is for me completely different approach .. it depends on my mood, sometimes it's "HW-only jamming" and sometimes "iPad/SW full production only" .. i am constantly switching between those 2 approaches for years :)

    I tried to combine HW with iPad but that didn't work for me. I look at those two as completely different workflows, each one with own completely speciffic set of advantages (and disadvantages)

  • @dendy said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @dendy said:

    @kirmesteggno
    Seems like a great workflow to also create songs from the different recorded takes from jamming if you can record the individual tracks. E.g. use the same patterns for a month and record all the jams, and then cut the best parts into track

    hm that’s interesting idea .. yes you can record multi track using usb into computer daw.. maybe i will try this idea at some point ..

    I'm doing something similar in AUM, but without jamming out a track. I work on a 4 or 8 bar loop and try to make it really dense with a lot of layered elements (extracted with return tracks), and once I have enough then record the loop and then dump all the recorded stems into Abletons session view and go from there.

    I spend quite some time with other computer stuff and don't like to open Ableton every day. The iPad is great because I can mess with it while I'm working out (exercise bike) or when I'm just chilling on the couch or in bed.

    I thought about a gear corner as an alternative because the live performance thing seems interesting also could generate different and maybe more organic variations.

    yeah the live factor is the funny part .. i must admit i don't enjoy puting things together in DAW that much - i just enjoy the preparation phase and then the jamming phase .. with HW grooveboxes / synths for me it feels like making music with actual instrument :) Sometimes i also make full track in DAW - in that case i use iPad (and Nanostudio 2) but that is for me completely different approach .. it depends on my mood, sometimes it's "HW-only jamming" and sometimes "iPad/SW full production only" .. i am constantly switching between those 2 approaches for years :)

    I enjoy putting things together in the DAW if the ingredients are well prepared and ready to be used, kinda like cooking. What I don't like is turning knobs with a mouse/trackpad and clicking within device chains. Controllers like the old APCs work well if you have everything prepared and mapped.

    I have the smaller APC key 25 but I'm hunting for a APC40 which will likely become my first proper hardware for the gear corner. I plan to use it with the Siderack app to bring in iPad FX plugins into Ableton, and eventually replace some with hardware down the line.

    I tried to combine HW with iPad but that didn't work for me. I look at those two as completely different workflows, each one with own completely speciffic set of advantages (and disadvantages)

    Understandable because most hardware companies like Elektron are ghosting the platform. You saw the diagrams I've posted in the other thread and it's really frustrating to conceptualize a hardware setup that works for performance and production in combination with the iPad in realtime. Dumping all the audio into Ableton and then bring in some plugins through the Siderack app seems like the best approach for me for now.

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