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Is there a point to having decent monitors/heaphones?
Now that we have the magic Mastering Assistant in LP4I, it seems pointless to search for or even keep existing studio monitors and studio quality headphones. I used to need them to mix and master to acceptable EQs and levels, but now I just play sh a button…..???
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Well, you still need to make the mix to deliver to the AI mastering option to perform its magic on but it’s an interesting point.
There might be no point in the $2000+ price point anymore , but you also can’t settle for the $200 price point either. I think with stuff like morphit, $100-500 headphones are enough and with monitors I think you still need to spend at least $750 each or $1500 for a pair for YOUR own studio , but the $25,000 monitors are no longer needed (by home producers) with all the tools between Morphit and what you’re referring to.
Buy the best you can or invest in it as much as it’s worth to you.
Definitely still important! No amount of AI Mastering is going to fix a crappy mix.
Agreed!
It’s my opinion that one’s headphones and/or monitors/speakers should at least match the quality of the intended audience or venue where the music will play.
And with that in mind, the majority of people will listen to their music on a cell phone, with or without EarPods/Beats, in their car or over their home computer’s speakers.
The exceptional audio experiences of yesteryear don’t really exist anymore, except possibly as a home theater TV’s surround system.
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I buy with dual use (production/media consumption) in mind, so even if I wouldn't produce I'd spend about the same on gear for music listening.
I like to master my stuff manually and then pitch it against an AI version. Sometimes I prefer mine, other times not. Not strictly necessary but I have fun doing it, and for that I need a decent acoustically treated room and reasonable monitors. And as others have said, you need a good mix and that cannot be done with poor equipment.
If the mix is right, that is 90% of the job done.
I like your approach. We’ll see what we’ve got in 10 years, by then we’ll either have AI eat itself or we’ll have AI everything.
Still have to mix it
AI will create the pressure for the true super humans among us to emerge. The rest of us will just be abused by them.
How many "home" producers have $25,000 monitors?
Who knows?
Home production ain’t what it used to be.
What is nowdays..?
Ain’t that the truth
Personally, I consider it a better experience to listen to stuff on nice gear. It’s the pleasure of the experience rather than being concerned overly with what others might or might not hear. Also, I’m going to feel more confident if I’m hearing everything as accurately as possible.
I think a solid pair of headphones matters. I'm not into monitors and treating a room, etc. That said, I used 3rd Gen Airpods to produce music. These days I use my Airpods Max Headphones. I love listening to music on those, and they work a treat for mixing down.
That said, you still need to mix your track before mastering. The old adage goes "you can't polish a turd". Neither can Logic's Mastering Assistant. 😉
Don’t think you need “expensive” monitors to mix well. NS10Ms powered by a Quad 405s was the standard for mixing rock and pop for decades. Along with auratone 5cs.
Mastering, you probably do. Every cut I’ve ever attended they had PMCs powered by Brystons or similar - usually in the £35-50k range. They need to be effortlessly powerful to expose all the detail.
But ultimately, it’s the ear not the gear…
A dedicated mixing stage seems obsolete for electronic music. Aren't you mixing from the very first decisions you make while you're building your sound? How can you even separate mixing and non mixing decisions?
I still keep both stage separated. Maybe it as to do with my 2017 iPad Pro not being able to handle both stages at the same time. I stem everything and put in a new project to mix, even then my cpu is near breaking point.
I have not mixed a tune with my new M2 yet. Maybe that will change my process or not.
Yeah but how can you not think about the mix when producing? I mean even if you're selecting samples or tweaking ADSRs in a synth, you'd select or tweak them based on how they fit what's already there or your vision for the track.
@kirmesteggno I don’t think about it until I get to it. Seems to work for me. Or maybe I am being delusional. You tell me.
Totally agree with you - sound design “to the mix” is so valuable for electronic music.
I agree to some extent. When you have recorded, sound designed, and pre-mixed a lot of tracks, I'd say you still need to mix it in the end... global volumes, volume automations, eqs, put some compression where you need.
And to come back at the main topic, if your goal is to go mainstream, yes you need a decent pair of speakers or monitors to do all that, to be able to hear the full frequency spectrum. All in all, it depends of the genre, if you've recorded external instruments / vocals, how many tracks do you have... There's no black or white answer here.
Additionaly, the mastering assistant is a great tool even to check if your mix makes sense in the beginning !
The comfort of headphones shouldn't be under estimated. You can learn the quirks of the sound, and correct for them to a degree, but if you don't like wearing them you've got a problem.
As for the mastering assistant, it can’t polish a turd. You still need to have a good idea of what you’re listening to.
You can also cook without tasting your food, but you'll be a much better chef if you taste it throughout the cooking process.
Good headphones and/or monitors are how I "taste" the music. Not about to give that up, no matter how good automated tools get.
I found this from a well known mixing tutorial video quite useful and created my own version of it in Keynote, mainly for headphones and broken down into 8 zones because I don't need the six different depth layers and find it uneccessary complex, 2 are enough + stereo (FGC = Foreground Center, BGC = Background Center, HL = Hard Left etc.) :
First I try to build the center and background and then the sides.