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A jerry-rigged Fugue Machine possible?
I’ve noticed a couple thread about Fugue Machine issues recently but I’m not sure if this fits in with either so here’s yet another thread.
It’s been very disappointing that Fugue Machine has never been updated with such useful tools as keyboard entry or recording and Auv3 parameters being exposed for triggering or automation.
So I’ve wondered if it would be possible to cobble together a kind of jerry-rigged Fugue Machine using tools such as Atom. Can Atom play midi in reverse? Or can it flip midi around? Can any sequencer do that? I seem to recall that Atom has some kind of scripting built in. What is that for? I can’t find any threads about it.
If Fugue Machine guy no longer wants to work on it, I wish some other developer could take up the idea. It seems to have a lot of fans and I bet they’d pay for a new version.
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The drambo sequencer-module can do a lot if you modulate the position forwards, backwards, slower, faster, with swing or weirder off the grid clock modulations. You can record into it, too.
Setting up a couple of them with the same sequence can be like fugue-machine, but a lot more flexible.
Apart from what you said, single play heads can be transposed (and stay in scale) in Fugue-machine. Pingpong is one option but loop forwards and backwards are there, too. And you can offset the start of the sequence.
Afaik in Drambo you can only record into one sequencer at a time, so you cannot set it up in advance, you would have to copy the sequence into all the sequencers you want to use.
This has some of the functionality:
After you copied the sequence you want into all the sequencers, you can use the speed setting for even divisions or multiples. Rate set to -1 reverses the sequence. Other rate values get you off the grid, if you want that. Offset moves the start position. If you want to transpose one sequence, you can pu a transpose module between the seq and the au. You could also force the transposed notes into scale with for example Rozeta scaler (or you use midi to cv into a cv-scaler into a note generator, if you want to use Drambo modules). If you want a pingpong play mode, you could modulate the time input with a triangle-lfo).
Not as neat and easy to set up as fuguemachine, but way more flexible. Maybe or more like probably a greater Drambo-wizard than me, could make a nicer version.
Thanks @tyslothrop1 and @Jökulgil, dangit! I was hoping for a non-drambo solution. 🤓 but it looks possible.
@Jökulgil said:
Only thing I haven’t worked out is how to pingpong each sequencer. Any ideas anyone?
Set play mode on a sequencer to time input and connect a synced triangle lfo to the time input (little clock). Possibly you have to scale it depending on the sequence length, not sure though.
I haven't played with this yet and truthfully haven't plumbed the depths of how to actually use Drambo with confidence... I usually just load the midi fx.
Is there no way to send midi to all of the sequencers at once through another source like a keyboard or another sequencer (not necessarily the stepper or piano roll in drambo)? One nice thing about fugue machine is changing the pattern live, so copying the sequence makes that a bit less fluid. Still, even if it is possible to input the same pattern in all sequencers at once I can't think of a way that you could edit the sequence(s) fluidly.
Apologies if I'm barking up the wrong tree... Again, I haven't invested the time I to learning Drambo beyond using it as a midi fx to just do basic step sequencing.
@Jökulgil
I got it to play pingpong, but I don’t have a solution to keep it from playing, when the transport is stopped. There is this module transport time, maybe this could help, but I don’t know how.
Anyway here is, how I set it up, number module set to 8 makes it play a 2 bar sequence, set to 4 1 bar etc:
I haven't dug that deep into Drambo either, and playing with the midi and cv-modulation is a fun way with not too steep of a learning curve to build something with it, I think.
I don't think it makes a difference, where the midi comes from, that you want to record in the sequencer, the problem is you have to pick which sequencer you want to use and use the transports record button. I don't think, there is a way to select more than one at a time.
If you want to edit the sequence and want your edits in all sequences, I guess you would have to copy it again. Yes, not very fluid.I still find it fun to play with.
Yeah, I think that when I get home I might start tooling with Drambo more as per your suggestion on cv modulation!
I guess that if you want to play something into 4 sequencers you can always have multiple Drambo instances, each with one sequencer module setup, listening to the same midi source though that would mean the added complexity of managing multiple record buttons and not being able to copy and paste within a single plugin instance.
I haven't played with the sequencer module... To my knowledge, Drambo 'grows' the number of bars so you can't just set it at 2 bars, correct?
Oh, I hadn't thought of using several Drambo AUs. I guess you could midimap the individual record buttons to the same control.
Drambo autogrows the sequence only if you just press record, if you set the sequence length beforehand via the clip settings or by dragging the preview to the right, it will record only the set number of bars and then goes into overdub, until you unarm the recording.
Learn something every day! Thanks.
You can also toggle autogrow on/off!
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I’ll be sure to give it a proper look later, thanks for sharing.
What qualifies as a fugue machine thought? I might even have the app and dabbled with it for a while, long time ago. And I have a vague notion what a fugue is.
So what you’re talking about is a way to have a motif (an initial sequente of notes) that is varied in some way (change root, slower/faster tempo, backwards, arpeggio, etc)—all while staying in diatonic key, and then superimposed over the original theme? To create multiple voices/counterpoint all in the same key but exhibiting some sort of self similarity.
Forgot this:
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