Logic Pro takes music-making to the next level with new AI features

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@NeuM said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@JanKun said:
I wouldn't call those AI features the next level of music-making. Sure, these are interesting tools for those without composition/arrangement/performance skills. Those can also be guidelines for new ideas for "proficient" producers.
But I don't think those features will become the center of production workflow for people who are still enjoying creating by themselves, because it is like taking away all the fun and basically the whole purpose of music making for them.
Those features will be perfect tools for people who are only interested in getting "the final product" as fast as they can with minimum hassle, though I believe, as somebody mentioned here, that those kind of people will be more likely to use services like Suno or Udio or whatever easy solution soon to be developed.
I honestly don't think Composers, musicians who still enjoy the whole process of music making for what it originally is, will change drastically their workflow because of AI.
I personally still feel good playing an instrument,composing a song, writing the lyrics and then singing them, arranging and mixing the whole thing. Having AI do this for me? No, thanks. Having fun jamming with an AI, why not.

This is a nice balanced take. I don't understand the rabid anti-AI sentiment I've seen elsewhere. Don't like it? Don't use it.

I have little interest in it in its current state, but it's clearly just another tool. If it could jam with me in an interactive and rewarding way, that could be very enticing.

I see no reason why a completely interactive "AI"-driven system shouldn't be able to do precisely this in a year or two (at most). The pace of innovation in this space right now is mind-blowing even to me.

I recall some music profs building such an interactive system back in the 80s or 90s, but the details escape me.

dendy

@Pxlhg said:

@dendy said:
stem splitter just (in most cases) helps steal ideas from other tracks .. no revolution if you ask me, more like sad thing …

i can see how it may be usable for doing remixes, but definitely not groundbreaking feature .. lot people will use it just for stealing ideas and recycling loops made by other people … i am skeptic here, but maybe it’s just i anm old grumpy man yelling on clouds.

Now you have me really confused, maybe I'm misunderstanding because we're usually on the same page. The whole genre of modern music started with hip-hop/rappers stealing samples and made it their own music, this evolved into techno and todays mishmash of genres that no sane person can keep track of.
It's a very simplified description of events but you get the gist.🙃

techno originates from early 80´s from germany, it has very different origins, cultural roots and evolution than hiphop

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno#:~:text=Use of the term "techno,of EDM produced in Detroit.

what i referred in my post is using entire phrases, long loops, which are just sliced and rearranged at best, or often just looped and that’s it - i personally just don’t like this (yes i admit i don’t like 90% of hiphop, it just does’t fit with my musical taste

i always preffered music made with original sounds and melodies, created using synths and if samples then used in very creative way, altered from original into something completely new..

just don’t like using loops at least in the way where they are not much creatively altered … of course when somebody takes loops and tweaks / twists them to the level where nobody can identify the source - this is completely different story … still in my personal top chart music made completely from scratch using synths is more valued that music based on sampling other music.

Don’t gwt me wrong. I don’t want to insult anybody. I respect other people may see it differently. I just described what i meaned, what i like / don’t like. It’s just my personal subjective taste.. I am just not samole-loop type of guy :-))))

Pxlhg

@dendy said:

@Pxlhg said:

@dendy said:
stem splitter just (in most cases) helps steal ideas from other tracks .. no revolution if you ask me, more like sad thing …

i can see how it may be usable for doing remixes, but definitely not groundbreaking feature .. lot people will use it just for stealing ideas and recycling loops made by other people … i am skeptic here, but maybe it’s just i anm old grumpy man yelling on clouds.

Now you have me really confused, maybe I'm misunderstanding because we're usually on the same page. The whole genre of modern music started with hip-hop/rappers stealing samples and made it their own music, this evolved into techno and todays mishmash of genres that no sane person can keep track of.
It's a very simplified description of events but you get the gist.🙃

techno originates from early 80´s from germany, it has very different origins, cultural roots and evolution than hiphop

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno#:~:text=Use of the term "techno,of EDM produced in Detroit.

what i referred in my post is using entire phrases, long loops, which are just sliced and rearranged at best, or often just looped and that’s it - i personally just don’t like this (yes i admit i don’t like 90% of hiphop, it just does’t fit with my musical taste

i always preffered music made with original sounds and melodies, created using synths and if samples then used in very creative way, altered from original into something completely new..

just don’t like using loops at least in the way where they are not much creatively altered … of course when somebody takes loops and tweaks / twists them to the level where nobody can identify the source - this is completely different story … still in my personal too chart alwass music made complerely from scratch using synths is more valued that musix based on samoling other music.

I don’t want to insult anybody. I just described what i meanc what i like / don’t like. It’s just my personal subjective taste

I see, thanks for clarifying, I did not mean to step on any toes either but I was curious about the word stealing as it's been up for debate for ages regarding sampling. Cheers bro!

dendy

🤝 sometimes attempt to explain own thoughts in foreign language is complicated, and it may sound a bit diffferently than it was originally mentioned, especially if some word wirth similiar meaning is used usually in different context 🤣

klownshed

I don’t use sampled loops in my music. But I don’t mind if anybody else does. Each to their own. I personally prefer the process of making songs with synths and drum machines, etc. I’ve never really had an ear for sampling other people’s songs.

One of my favourite albums of the 90s is Psyence Fiction by UNKLE. Which is about as sampled as it gets.

LinearLineman

This is why i’m slowly switching from music to the culinary arts.

realdawei

Just glad that they are still investing in a decent first party DAW for iPad…given that the 3rd party app ecosystem is set to self destruct

michael_m

@dendy said:

@AudioGus said:

@dendy said:
stem splitter just (in most cases) helps steal ideas from other tracks .. no revolution if you ask me, more like sad thing …

i can see how it may be usable for doing remixes, but definitely not groundbreaking feature .. lot people will use it just for stealing ideas and recycling loops made by other people … i am skeptic here, but maybe it’s just i anm old grumpy man yelling on clouds.

Of course some people will use it on commercial releases but given that AI generated stuff is "original" (or at least creatively laundered) I think people would be more inclined to use it for splitting AI generated tracks from Udio etc.

well.. as i said, i am probabbly old grumpy man, i see using AI in this manner more like de-evolution of music creation... definitely not foing to touch this tech for music making, i like when all in my music is from my head 🤣

I can think of other uses. I really wish I had copies of various old band tapes - I’d split out the stems, clean them up and remix the tracks. I’d love to hear some of my older stuff fixed up.

HolyMoses

@klownshed said:
I don’t use sampled loops in my music. But I don’t mind if anybody else does. Each to their own. I personally prefer the process of making songs with synths and drum machines, etc. I’ve never really had an ear for sampling other people’s songs.

One of my favourite albums of the 90s is Psyence Fiction by UNKLE. Which is about as sampled as it gets.

That album with UNKLE is too much LoFi for me - but I see it’s potentials…

dendy

@michael_m said:
I can think of other uses. I really wish I had copies of various old band tapes - I’d split out the stems, clean them up and remix the tracks. I’d love to hear some of my older stuff fixed up.

well, true... ok i can see potential here

NeuM

@dendy said:

@michael_m said:
I can think of other uses. I really wish I had copies of various old band tapes - I’d split out the stems, clean them up and remix the tracks. I’d love to hear some of my older stuff fixed up.

well, true... ok i can see potential here

Likewise... I have a massive library of old tapes I might finally convert...

dendy

@NeuM said:

@dendy said:

@michael_m said:
I can think of other uses. I really wish I had copies of various old band tapes - I’d split out the stems, clean them up and remix the tracks. I’d love to hear some of my older stuff fixed up.

well, true... ok i can see potential here

Likewise... I have a massive library of old tapes I might finally convert...

This has also downside .. it will be easily to get lost in this proces and just get stucked in endless digging in old tracks (becase we all have that memories optimism syndrome) .. so even i would probalbly also love to remix some of my loved bangers from '90s - i will probably intentionally avoid to go down this rabbit hole

Crabman

Guess i gonna spoil the party when i say, i‘m absolutely not looking for fancy new (AI) features before having some significant workflow improvements. Mainly, i want to customize/add tools to the empty/wasted space everywhere. I do like logic and i‘m faster with it than with any other IOS daw but still, i hate all this taptaptaptap for even the most basic functions. So many things hidden in one big menu. Auria or Cubasis is better in this regard (i won‘t go back though). But i don‘t know the full patch notes yet, theres still hope they adressed this.

HolyMoses

@Crabman said:
Guess i gonna spoil the party when i say, i‘m absolutely not looking for fancy new (AI) features before having some significant workflow improvements. Mainly, i want to customize/add tools to the empty/wasted space everywhere. I do like logic and i‘m faster with it than with any other IOS daw but still, i hate all this taptaptaptap for even the most basic functions. So many things hidden in one big menu. Auria or Cubasis is better in this regard (i won‘t go back though). But i don‘t know the full patch notes yet, theres still hope they adressed this.

This is a know issue, not only to music making apps on mobile devices…
Sometime I wonder if non of the developer use the app they developed??

Wish we could like “MIDI Learn” UI Learn also - get into an editor and build the UI like our own needs!

On monday we will know more - keep up the good vibes until then mr Crabman!

Simon

@NeuM said:
The pace of innovation in this space right now is mind-blowing even to me.

What do you mean "even to me"... are you a cyborg bot or something?

dendy

@NeuM said:
I see no reason why a completely interactive "AI"-driven system shouldn't be able to do precisely this in a year or two (at most). The pace of innovation in this space right now is mind-blowing even to me.

hah, actually in recent few months, my feeling is exact opposite .. was expecting much faster pace, like brutal exponential curve - to me it looks like everythig got stucked at some point (large part of that are from totally retarded EU regulations regarding AI deployment) , almost like it is intentional from big guys (like OpenAI, Google, etc) to not release for public what they really have hidden in their labs ..

NoiseHorse

@LinearLineman said:
This is why i’m slowly switching from music to the culinary arts.

I am willing to beta-test all of your works, the more calories the better!

Crabman

@HolyMoses said:

@Crabman said:
Guess i gonna spoil the party when i say, i‘m absolutely not looking for fancy new (AI) features before having some significant workflow improvements. Mainly, i want to customize/add tools to the empty/wasted space everywhere. I do like logic and i‘m faster with it than with any other IOS daw but still, i hate all this taptaptaptap for even the most basic functions. So many things hidden in one big menu. Auria or Cubasis is better in this regard (i won‘t go back though). But i don‘t know the full patch notes yet, theres still hope they adressed this.

This is a know issue, not only to music making apps on mobile devices…
Sometime I wonder if non of the developer use the app they developed??

Wish we could like “MIDI Learn” UI Learn also - get into an editor and build the UI like our own needs!

On monday we will know more - keep up the good vibes until then mr Crabman!

Thanks, will do 😁👍 It‘s a lovely (and free) day in my country, nothing kann stop my good mood today 😎☀️

Tarekith

Good video resources for learning Logic Pro on the iPad? I deep dove when it came out, but forgot everything and want to give it another go. 🙏🏼👍🏼

NeuM

@Tarekith said:
Good video resources for learning Logic Pro on the iPad? I deep dove when it came out, but forgot everything and want to give it another go. 🙏🏼👍🏼

Doug’s “The Sound Test Room” has some beginner videos for LP on iPad.

HolyMoses

@Tarekith said:
Good video resources for learning Logic Pro on the iPad? I deep dove when it came out, but forgot everything and want to give it another go. 🙏🏼👍🏼

Can recommend this guy - his collections of tutorials for big Logic Pro is huge, really huge.

This is his take on the iPad version 1.0 to iPad, but he’s got more - great guy!!

Tarekith

Thanks!

Krupa

@dendy said:

@NeuM said:
I see no reason why a completely interactive "AI"-driven system shouldn't be able to do precisely this in a year or two (at most). The pace of innovation in this space right now is mind-blowing even to me.

hah, actually in recent few months, my feeling is exact opposite .. was expecting much faster pace, like brutal exponential curve - to me it looks like everythig got stucked at some point (large part of that are from totally retarded EU regulations regarding AI deployment) , almost like it is intentional from big guys (like OpenAI, Google, etc) to not release for public what they really have hidden in their labs ..

Two linked articles that might go further to explain what’s happening than simply blaming legislation that’s really kinda toothless.

The problems aren’t even really defined, never mind another near solved, and still no one knows where this is all heading, and I would guess the investment vultures are starting to get hungry and nervous.

Maybe loads of cheap Nvidia gear on the horizon, only one crazy previous owner 😅

https://futurism.com/the-byte/ai-engineers-burning-out?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR281RRTvn2b7VAtNzFqZL75OBZEE0d5qfw738O6NGzjKHBcKAEg0HlpeGg_aem_AcK-tyMoSqUl3LpCSqVESHTSJfeG09AOtHk790KGrOugVL3uAy-No2dZEpmoM8KvdPiQdMqUh6Rkd0GbqBaKnHsC

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/when-will-the-genai-bubble-burst

NeuM

ElevenLabs about to unveil their own generative music service... and the examples are as impressive or even more impressive than Udio.

https://x.com/elevenlabsio/status/1788628171044053386?s=46&t=OKrlFzpWNIr-ahE1jG1-bw

Mind you, they haven't revealed the interface, pricing or anything beyond some examples so far.

Sam23

@NeuM said:
ElevenLabs about to unveil their own generative music service... and the examples are as impressive or even more impressive than Udio.

https://x.com/elevenlabsio/status/1788628171044053386?s=46&t=OKrlFzpWNIr-ahE1jG1-bw

Mind you, they haven't revealed the interface, pricing or anything beyond some examples so far.

wow

mjm1138

The industry is still playing catch-up to Microsoft Songsmith

NeuM

@mjm1138 said:
The industry is still playing catch-up to Microsoft Songsmith

michael_m

@mjm1138 said:
The industry is still playing catch-up to Microsoft Songsmith

😂