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Arturia Beatstep Pro Vs. Ipad step sequencing (Drambo, Neon, Quantum, Thesys, Rozetta..)
I have always been a step sequencer kinda music guy. I had a Doepfer Maq back in the day and I have many cool step sequencer apps in the iPad, but I've always had my eye on the Arturia Beatstep Pro for some reason. I already own a Beatstep, but it's a little limited (no gate per step, velocity, slide, etc).. So I like the IOS sequencing apps, but what about the human feel and workflow of the hardware? Any thoughts on this? Is it a waste of cash or not?? Thanks
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Oh wow.. but what does it do that's so much better? It's like 2 or 3 x the price.
What do you want to control / sequence with it? Just apps, or MIDI and maybe even CV / Gate controlled hardware?
I think the BeatStep Pro is a great piece of kit. Using real knobs and pads has its advantages. Personally I am currently using two Korg SQ-1 sequencers for both apps, MIDI and CV stuff. More fiddly and less flexible than the BeatStep Pro, but smaller and cheaper.
I have a beatstep, and ended up getting a beatstep pro, if you like the beatstop the pro is like having 2 of them, and a drum lane. it has additional controls for doing stutter like sequencing, I love the feel of it, and how flexible it is, as you can assign the different sequencers to output c/v or midi. One feature that is fantastic is the displaying note info on touch of the knobs without having to change the value. Definitely worth the upgrade for me, that and I got the black one, fits in much better with my setup.
I goes from various sequencers , also BSP, now I use mKer, but only on iPad. I like this one, and sure tactile control is what I chosen firstly, BUT there are advantages in maker, which for me are essential in compare to BSP.
It is good hardware , great builded, but personally I wanted to minimalise my setup somehow.
Thanks.. I must search for this mKer sequencer>> Sound interesting. I also heard Pioneer made some cool sequencer called Squid.
https://www.pioneerdj.com/en/product/production/toraiz-squid/black/overview/
I found app have more interesting options than hardware that I was able to reach (pyramid, x-touch x4, BSP, ensoniq sd1 buildin sequencer). Each hardware gives great connection with mute /volume on tracks, BUT app like mKer allow for create more different unique rhythms. I think (but I didn’t purchase) NODES also offer great sequencer. Currently mKer is much much simpler, NODES have fast update rate, and now NODES seems to be better investment price/functionality. I only know and use mKer, and this one is very special for me personally. Why? 16 tracks with 1-32 steps, probability volume gate and offset time for step, different time speed and output MIDI port/channel, even allow for change pattern and all tracks can be reconfigured (each pattern allow for different track settings).
NODES I think also offer this and much more, I didn’t tried.
I didn’t find such elastique in hardware sequencers (yet).
On your place I would check both NODES, mKer and Drambo. I see arturia BSP as controller but with some drawbacks. I mean this is not what I would buy again. But it’s me.
Thank you for reading and forgiving me my English.
Thanks.. I have Nodes and I'm trying to get comfortable with it. My favorite so far is Drambo..
Cheers:)
Drambo is great but sequencer at now is without tripled and dotted tempo speed so this is my most wanted feature for update in Drambo.
For example 16th. and other track on speed 16th (without .) and next track 16thT - it is what is missing at now in Drambo , and reason why I use mKer. Current minus for mKer is that GUI must be full sceeen or almost full, because it’s not scaling to small window and you lost control. When I bought mKer there was no NODES, now NODES also work on iPhone.
Ideally Drambo will be updated and no external sequencers will be needed.
About human feel on hardware VS screen: I think fair compare is when we have dedicated iDevice for controller/sequencer task, because if everything is on one screen, then close/open repetition kill all workflow. From other side one-screen can offer no-need for mapping controls and also you have already visible names of track/parameter.
So there is a lot of variables that are unique for each, for example earlier I liked to have pianoroll with unlimited bars length. Now I accept atom pianoroll2.
‚ALL IN ONE UNIT’ can be advantage or disadvantage - depends from unique workflow.
I find the Torso T1 interesting:
You can also put in notes the normal way, but the generative stuff seems really cool. The Torso could replace all the linear and generative sequencers I'm using in AUM in one device. It's not only max 3 sequencers like the Beatstep Pro, but potentially much more because you're not locked into a mode.
Remember File Storage in your thinkings ,
I have KeyStep Pro , with OLED screen no less , but you cannot name projects on the device,
only when you save to computer using Arturia software centre - & so when you load a named project back from there it loses its name again .
For a device that’s meant to encourage creativity , & therefore lots of ideas to store ,
only 16 storage slots & no naming becomes an issue fast .
I imagine the BeatStep Pro is equally clunky in this . Needing spreadsheets to keep track of your onboard projects seems overly retro , however enjoyable using hardware is.
Nice pointers here. Yeah that really blows for the presets on the BS. I am leaning more to stay in iOS territory. It seems basically the same or better.
For a while I had a Beatstep Pro and a Keystep Pro and I wound up selling both. For my part I was thinking of getting into hardware and they would have been great for that, but I ultimately decided software instruments are just a lot less brain damage for me personally. And the sequencers available on iPad are so much more powerful than a BSP or KSP that I never felt like going through the hassle of wiring up and programing the hardware. I wound up replacing them both with a Minilab 3 and it meets my needs better (though I wish there was such a thing as a Minilab 37).
That said, BSP is a huge upgrade from Beatstep. So if you are getting use out of the Beatstep but looking for those features, go for it! It is a great piece of hardware, well built, and can be a lot of fun. If I had infinite space I would have kept it.
I may get one if I see it used and cheaper. Have you tried Thesys ? It's pretty good.
Always a big fan of buying music gear used. If you don't like it, you can sell it for the same price you bought it at!
ETA: re: Thesys, looks interesting, but $19 is a lot for an iOS sequencer! What's the killer feature in your estimation?
I got an email yesterday to inform me that I had reached the front of the waiting list for a Cirklon 2 sequencer. The current waiting list is 3 years long but it was 5 years when I joined it. The CVIO model is £2100, which is about £2000 more than I can afford right now.
I think comparing hardware and software sequencers is a bit like comparing apples and oranges because of the tactility of hardware. It connects me to the sound more directly.
RE Thesys: The playback controls for your sequence. You can loop a section, play skipping 2 or 4 notes, stutter and a few more, that and the controller lanes for velocity and gate are right there. Also the Performance lane is fun. You can add chords bends subdivisions etc. Finally you can pitch the whole sequence select other patterns and perform other actions like half time. ( Its also got its own built in synth too )
Yes, I kind of agree with you about the more physical / "touch" workflow. That's probably why most of us here are on iPads as they are a step closer to real hardware at an affordable cost. Knobs are always nice to twist and touch:)
I bought it years ago with apps that were like 5 bucks. Now, like everything, it's much more money. I like the graph-style interface and the many ways to use modulation. It's probably one of the best software step sequencers IMOP.
Yeah, my ipad is the reason I'm able to make music. It would be great to still have a full on hardware setup but I can't justify the expense.
yes and due to my busy lifestyle and having kids, I have to utilize whatever free time I have, to pick up and work on tunes wherever and whenever I can:)