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iPads aren’t a flexible enough tool

I’ve had an iPad since the iPad 2 (which I still have but hardly have a use for) and have gone through a progression of various iPads since, which is a journey most of us can nod at

I keep noticing the insistence by Apple that an iPad is supposed to be thin, and that they think their iPad customers want a thin iPad and if only they could make a thinner iPad, we’d all go for it – I think this started with the first Air didn’t it?

I don’t think Apple are in touch at all in relation to iPads – thinness isn’t a thing we want, and if anything it implies fragility and breakability and as a result I certainly don’t take my iPad out anywhere near as much as I did my first iPad 2 over a decade ago – that was a strong robust tool (back when it was fast enough to use and new enough to not notice that it was actually slow anyway)

I occasionally take my current iPad mini out because it’s not got that fragility about it, it seems like it’ll survive being taken out in the same sort of way as my iPhone will – but my previous non-mini iPads after the 2 really never went out of the house, and in most cases sat on the arm of the settee and never went out of one side of the room – I was actually more likely to take a MacBook out than a normal sized iPad because a laptop is not thin

I don’t think Apple should be aiming for thin-ness in iPads, I don’t give a shit about thin-ness and I’m pretty sure 105% of their customer base doesn’t either – but what they should be aiming for is a combination of flexibility and robustness, so that it can be more like an actual book or magazine, in that it can be bent, has pliability, flexibility, floppiness, softness, foldability to some extent (you can’t fold a book but if you sat on one in a bag and it flexed a lot it can still be read)

If it had that direction, it wouldn’t need this obsession with thinness, it could be as fat as the original iPad but as long as it’s not rigid and breakable if it flexed or got sat on, as long as it can be robust enough to take a bend or creasing, as long as it’s floppy enough to wrap around contours in a bag or whatever, we’d all be taking it out a lot more


Then again, I personally think the Vision thing will merge with the iPad concept in some way that nobody’s prepared for currently, it won’t be the embarassing big eyephones of the Vision, it won’t be the seemingly ever increasing screen-area of the iPad, but it’ll be something you can wrap up and take about with you and maybe unfold or do something to ‘wear’ it or something, I don’t know

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  • Yeah the obsession with thinness is weird, they must have some weak old wrists in that there Cupertino country 😅

    Give me a phat as a burger battery and make it as rugged and cool/efficient as you can.

  • They are prepping the market for a rugged 'iPad Ultra' when people realize the thin crap breaks too easily :sunglasses:
    An 'iPad Ultra' able to dual-boot macOS would be a totally new product category for Apple...

  • Yeah it's pointless since you end up just putting a thicker case on it to protect it anyway, iPads are nice and all that but they are still just an accessory, no point in getting too obsessed by them :)

  • Maybe they should just make them with vertical stripes.

  • I always buy those thick Otter box case because I know myself and dropping stuff. Thin and fragile is no good for me.

  • edited May 2024

    @Samu said:
    They are prepping the market for a rugged 'iPad Ultra' when people realize the thin crap breaks too easily :sunglasses:
    An 'iPad Ultra' able to dual-boot macOS would be a totally new product category for Apple...

    Yes I think they will be forced to do this within a few years because there's lot's of new competition coming (Apples dominance over the mobile chip space is ending over the next few years as the competition catches up).

    They could make a great hybrid, there's no way I'm ever buying an ipad costing over £1K, it's wasted money in my opinion, a hybrid mac/ipad I would consider though :)

  • edited May 2024

    Someone could design a case that can colocate existing off the shelve products like an anker hub, OWC Envoy Express enclosure and iRig for example.

    I don't really mind a heavier and thicker iPad and prefer over dongles as well.

  • @kirmesteggno said:
    Someone could design a case that can colocate existing off the shelve products like an anker hub, OWC Envoy Express enclosure and iRig for example.

    I don't really mind a heavier and thicker iPad and prefer over dongles as well.

    Someone already did. It can’t have sold that well as there’s no newer models.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fledging-Hubble-USB-C-Case-2018-2020/dp/B09VT79QBD

    At that price, if I had any of the relevant devices I’d probably buy it

  • Yep, the word "Pro" should return to its meaning that it had decades ago 😅

  • This is like asking why Auto participate in F1 and why they have the premium lines for faster slicker and lighter models. Things all add up to build a brand.

    I don't need the fancy Pro too but I welcome the new Air 13" with M2 and 8GB ram for $599.

  • Also when you look at the connections of an iPad Pro there‘s nothing „Pro“ about it.

  • @rs2000 said:
    Yep, the word "Pro" should return to its meaning that it had decades ago 😅

    There's a story that William Shakespeare went into a parchment shop to buy a new roll of parchment (he'd wasted loads of it trying write his pet dog, Wuffles, into act three of Hamlet).

    The seller told him he didn't have any ordinary parchment, but would he like to try some on the new "parchment pro"?

    "Costeth it much?" quizzed the Bard.

    "Verily twice the price," said the shopkeeper, "but truly it is used by all the pros, and it doth be feature rich."

    "Fecketh thee offeth, knave" replied Shakespeare, somewhat curtly, and stormed off to a nearby tavern.

  • +1000. iDevices unfortunately have been downgraded a bit to fashion accessories since the Tim Cook era began.

    This recent Apple ad for the iPad, and the X reactions to it, sum this whole point up pretty brilliantly:

  • I see "Thin" as a synonym for "black box that will be turning into electronic waste earlier". For me "Pro" equipment always puts reliability, usability, versatility and last but not least the ability to repair / upgrade before fashionable appearance. That would mean that an iPad "Pro" would be thicker thanks to the ability to replace the battery, or upgrade the SSD storage without hassle (no glueing or proprietary "pentalobe" screws). A micro SD card slot would be a good starter - even for the standard "consumer grade" iPads.

  • Thinner and lighter iPads do not automatically translate to being fragile, it depends on the material and construction.

    I want lighter and thinner iPads, all the way. To the foldable paper level. If you want WW2 tank type protection, you can always buy a thick and weighty protective case. ;)

  • edited May 2024

    @Luxthor said:
    Thinner and lighter iPads do not automatically translate to being fragile, it depends on the material and construction.

    I want lighter and thinner iPads, all the way. To the foldable paper level. If you want WW2 tank type protection, you can always buy a thick and weighty protective case. ;)

    Bingo. Electronic devices, apart from the controller for humans, are always getting smaller/thinner and better.

    If not because of this trend, there is no walkman, discman, ipod, laptop, smartphone and tablet.

    We shouldn't fight with human nature.

    edit: typo

  • @purpan2 said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Yep, the word "Pro" should return to its meaning that it had decades ago 😅

    There's a story that William Shakespeare went into a parchment shop to buy a new roll of parchment (he'd wasted loads of it trying write his pet dog, Wuffles, into act three of Hamlet).

    The seller told him he didn't have any ordinary parchment, but would he like to try some on the new "parchment pro"?

    "Costeth it much?" quizzed the Bard.

    "Verily twice the price," said the shopkeeper, "but truly it is used by all the pros, and it doth be feature rich."

    "Fecketh thee offeth, knave" replied Shakespeare, somewhat curtly, and stormed off to a nearby tavern.

    Wonderful.
    Thank you! 😃

  • Is this that point in the thread when someone should point out “courage!”
    ?
    Too soon?

  • edited May 2024

    @BiancaNeve said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    Someone could design a case that can colocate existing off the shelve products like an anker hub, OWC Envoy Express enclosure and iRig for example.

    I don't really mind a heavier and thicker iPad and prefer over dongles as well.

    Someone already did. It can’t have sold that well as there’s no newer models.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fledging-Hubble-USB-C-Case-2018-2020/dp/B09VT79QBD

    At that price, if I had any of the relevant devices I’d probably buy it

    Ah I remember that one.

    The main problems of that design future incompatibility and low quality (bad dac, slow storage). I mean the one in the link only works for the older models already.

    If it's just a plastic case with space for other high quality third party peripherals then you can avoid this problem. The hubble Also not ideal for handheld use because it adds more distance between your thumbs and the app UIs.

  • @Luxthor said:
    Thinner and lighter iPads do not automatically translate to being fragile, it depends on the material and construction.

    I want lighter and thinner iPads, all the way. To the foldable paper level. If you want WW2 tank type protection, you can always buy a thick and weighty protective case. ;)

    The thing is that the devices have long passed the "maximum thinness" threshold, after which additional thinness provides no advantages, but only makes the product worse.

    Or can you give me actual real-life examples where the transition from 8mm to 5mm adds significant value to the iPad?

  • I love ipads for music making. Great devices.

  • @SevenSystems said:
    Or can you give me actual real-life examples where the transition from 8mm to 5mm adds significant value to the iPad?

    Well, we could only wait for the release day. 😅

    But it’s futile to compare our personal preferences, because what is good for me, does not mean it is good for you. Thinner devices mean more advanced technology, a smaller SoC, thinner batteries, less weight, less power consumption, fewer obstacles in the bag, better maneuverability, and a sleek and sexy look. 

  • …less ports

  • lol, as we get fatter the iPads get thinner. I never realized a corporation could be ironic.

  • wimwim
    edited May 2024

    Then again, I personally think the Vision thing will merge with the iPad concept in some way that nobody’s prepared for currently, it won’t be the embarassing big eyephones of the Vision, it won’t be the seemingly ever increasing screen-area of the iPad, but it’ll be something you can wrap up and take about with you and maybe unfold or do something to ‘wear’ it or something, I don’t know

    This is where it's gonna go. It'll be an awkward and expensive journey, but I don't see it going any other way.

    The rest will just be a never ending series of "innovations" designed to keep the addiction to new devices in play. The tiny minority who focus on devices primarily for making music aren't the gold-mine market so these innovations will continue to have lesser (or negative) value to us.

  • @catherder said:
    I see "Thin" as a synonym for "black box that will be turning into electronic waste earlier". For me "Pro" equipment always puts reliability, usability, versatility and last but not least the ability to repair / upgrade before fashionable appearance. That would mean that an iPad "Pro" would be thicker thanks to the ability to replace the battery, or upgrade the SSD storage without hassle (no glueing or proprietary "pentalobe" screws). A micro SD card slot would be a good starter - even for the standard "consumer grade" iPads.

    This is simply untrue for Apple. Their manufacturing process includes considerations for the reclamation and recycling of the materials they use. They are more serious about this than any other company like them. You should look into this for yourself.

  • I actually think part of this thinness obsession is to make the ipad>keyboard combo svelt and sexy so they can sell more keyboards. It's really tough to see the point otherwise.

  • @aaronpc said:
    I actually think part of this thinness obsession is to make the ipad>keyboard combo svelt and sexy so they can sell more keyboards. It's really tough to see the point otherwise.

    It's because they can not improve in other areas and there is a marketing pressure to change a product with every iteration. Otherwise no money is flowing in.

  • @aaronpc said:
    I actually think part of this thinness obsession is to make the ipad>keyboard combo svelt and sexy so they can sell more keyboards. It's really tough to see the point otherwise.

    I think their ultimate goal is a thin, transparent object that operates as if by magic. Given enough time, this should be possible.

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