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Another great leap… mebbe?
So, apparently time works different in AI land, since now Udio and Sudo, being a couple of weeks old, are obviously already last years thing.
This is what Eleven labs are doing now. A single one line prompt gives you complete 3 minute songs, no edits required. Lyrics generated, vocals generated, instruments generated, mix generated, hi Fi quality. From a single one line prompt. Text to music, ladeez n germs…
Sometimes I don’t feel so bad about not being a musician. It might just mean I’m not a dodo, or a passenger pigeon, or something.
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the problem is the music here is completely worthless and slightly amusing to me but maybe if i used my own text something might come out that is interesting but the writing the text part is completely uninteresting. Guess I'm just more interested in studying and creating my own music.
@Danny_Mammy : I agree, and the lyrics also seem disturbingly self involved with the AI achieving sentience as a topic (is it trying to tell us something?) but I found the (lyric free) dubstep one particularly interesting, in that it was hifi sound, and realistically deranged. Starting to intrude on my own noise/experimental beat even. A zone I thought beyond, or beneath the algorithm…
FYI, I’m using the Synth V VST for artificial vocals. Better than mine but that’s not saying much!
And it’s AI for my compositions. My biggest interest in AI and music is in how well they help us. Not replace everything to one click.
yep, i definitely will like the use of AI for creation of a bass sound as an example and how that will evolve.
or maybe i make a snare and ask AI to make it better or 20 variations of my snare etc...
then ask AI to explain how i can make better snares.
definitively interesting current and future AI tools for me.
Can any of these tools rearrange music yet? I'm not interested in giving it text and getting a generic song, but giving it a melody / existing song and see what it can do with it in different styles, partly as a learning aid for me as I try to tackle those styles myself.
i had a thought of robots getting into the rap music and becoming fans, that's pretty cute. I be for that
The people of these music AI startups right now aren't into music production and workflows of musicians unfortunately, they want to disrupt the mainstream music industry as a whole and generate "AI will replace musicians" headlines and maximize attention through outrage. Crypto bros 2.0 basically.
I think what scares me the most are how music is sounding less and less like it’s made by people anyway. My daughter and I were talking about this a few days ago as we listened to a charts radio station that she listens to.
I got her to compare the songs to a 90s station (she won’t listen back to anything older), and pointed out the excessive pitch correction and the stiffness of the playing on the more recent songs. She rightly pointed out that it doesn’t make the songs any better or worse, but it does make the gap between people-made and machine-made music much less.
It’s scary how many people make comments about artist X, Y or Z being a “great singer” when there’s no way of knowing when it’s smothered in auto tune.
I think the voiceover is AI generated, too. “Lines of coke” was my favorite lyric. Did I get it wrong?
Terrible trumpet solo, which was very realistic, indeed. No reason second rate musicianship should be left out.
My favorite is the Temu ad for a “canopener”. It opened my eyes and they simply fell out. I’d hate to be born tomorrow.
The Turing rap was something I’d listen to. In fact, if I could get an AI to spit out an endless torrent of hits based on Meiko Kaji, I might not listen to anything else for a few years
I've tried both Udio and Sudo and while they are impressive for what they can do I was never able to make anything I would want to hear twice.
This seems like it is a major step up. I agree with the narrator that if people heard this on the radio they probably wouldn't have a clue that it was AI.
I remember when Milli Vanilli had their lip syncing scandal and I've heard numerous stories of aging bands relying on pre-recorded tracks and vocals recently. I wonder how long it will be until we have fake music artists pantomiming to music made by AI live.
Maybe I shouldn't complain since most of my videos are made with the help of AI these days. I do at least try to come up with interesting concepts and make the music and videos into a unique multi media experience. I guess at some point I won't even need to do that.
Crazy time to be alive.
Familiar with any of these concerts?
I remember hearing about “hologram” concerts but didn’t think to put the two together.
We really have opened Pandora’s box haven’t we?
Imagine another 8-10 years down the road when extremely lifelike robots are combined with extraordinarily sophisticated A.I. ... it should be possible to convincingly replicate any musician or actor in the world, or any person from the past.
And what monsters might we find revealed?
Gigs aren’t just two blokes and a dodgy pa on a sticky pub floor any more, are they?
I think we've got this whole ai thing the wrong way round. It was supposed to do the boring shit for us so we could do creative stuff. Once again we fuck things up.
But why? What will it it be apart from a theme park attraction?
I can definitely see the stones having a forever gig somewhere, other legacy acts too. There will be a market for the fake stuff as well, maybe another upcoming societal schism, some people only like flesh and blood acts where others are less fussy. We don’t serve their type in here vibes😅
I watched an interesting YouTube vid a while ago on the related world of computer games, where you find the same conflicts between the businesses which own the IP, and the creatives which make it, which I think perfectly explains why a dead future of AI infused animatronic Hendrixes and Beatles is coming.
Microsoft had no sooner acquired some individual Bethesda software studios responsible for critically lauded and commercially successful games than they closed them down, firing the creatives responsible, and scattering the accumulated game development wisdom to the four winds. Why? Because the personal employment contracts of the corporate bosses responsible make their multi million dollar bonuses dependent on the share price, and ‘cutting overhead’ - like the wages of devs - is interpreted by the market as improving profitability.
Similarly the much reviled Bobby Kottick, CEO of Activision Blizzard, is walking away from that company with a 400 million dollar golden goodbye. Simultaneous with this news was the announcement of closure of multiple studios under the firms umbrella. Even assuming the most generous wages for the 300 or so people now out of work, his payoff could have sustained the studios for 10 - 10! - years. 10 years of making new content, developing new IP, and making rent and grocery, for 300 people. Gone, to feather the retirement nest of one boss.
Sure it is short term, serving up the golden goose for dinner, it can only be done once, but these individual execs will be out the door by the time it all hits the fan, or will have switched their remaining studios to low-effort massive-return mobile games with micro transactions up the wazoo designed to hook people with gambling addictions and ruthlessly exploit them.
It’s a direct parallel. Most consumers of music are not musicians. Most have it as background, an incidental to their lives. Only a relatively small set of the public are actually ‘into’ music as consumers and fans, an even smaller subset of those are actually musicians themselves. For most of the population, AI generated pap will be good enough.
If you want to know what corpos think of real artists, musicians, devs, you just need to see the latest Apple iPad ad:
In the future, you will own nothing, and be happy. That’s what they said…
And as ‘legacy’ music artists cash in on their own past creativity by selling off their rights to massive corpo interests, those corpos acquire more and more weight of assets to be ‘sweated’ in the most cash intensive way possible. A theme park Hendrix on eternal tour, or forever in residence at a Vegas lounge, is a risk free cash cow which can be milked in perpetuity. Fresh new human artists, with all their messy private lives and unpredictable artistic choices, not so much. Humans gonna human, of course, but there’s only so much media space and time which can be occupied by someone or some thing, and if that space is already crammed full of shop window dummies, getting your foot in the door is that much harder. If you make your art and no one witnesses it - did it really happen at all?
AI theme parks sucking up all the oxygen once reserved for messy artistic integrity are therefore not likely. They are inevitable.
It won’t look like a robot, it’ll look and act like a real person.
We’re fast approaching an age where nanoscale manufacturing/production will become more common. The newest M4 chip in the iPad Pro uses a 3 nanometer process, which was unthinkable a decade ago. Tinier components means power and thermal efficiencies which will enable seemingly more organic components. More “lifelike” machinery will be possible.
At the same time, augmenting people with artificial organs and repairing previously irreparable damage will become possible. See this:
I think there will be a market for skilled artists. Amateurs, not so much. Probably also a counter culture movement that only wants human made art. Along with the masses who don’t care.
Baudrillard would have a field day.
The transition will be faster than anyone expects, especially to those who are not informed on current and upcoming developments.
for sure, us poor humans aren't doom just yet. ... except for our tendances for violence and war of course.
plenty of sci-fi talk but we haven't even cured the common cold yet. and AI music sounds amusing currently.
@sevenape : Ah yes. The hyper real:
and Guy Debord’s Spectacle is in there too:
And can we chuck Deleuze and Guittari in the mix as well, just for shits and giggles ?
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“We fall into a false alternative if we say you either imitate or you are. What is real is the becoming itself.” - A Thousand Plateaus, Capitalism and Schizophrenia, University of Minnesota Press 1987 p260 accessed at
https://files.libcom.org/files/A Thousand Plateaus.pdf
Gotta love those French philosophers.
The map is the territory!
This touches on something else I've been thinking about lately, one of the elements at stake around the hollywood writer's strike a few months ago was about 'writers rooms' where the inexperienced learn the trade through apprenticeship. If computers take over all the jobs that apprentices cut their teeth on, then how do they ever get to 'master' level?