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Apps for DFAM/EDGE experience

Is Ruismaker Noir still the only choice? Or there are other choices that come close on both the sound and the interface?

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  • Try looking at the modular apps, I'm certain there's a dfam on mirack, possibly also on audulus and drambo. I recommend checking the patch storage website.

  • @sevenape said:
    Try looking at the modular apps, I'm certain there's a dfam on mirack, possibly also on audulus and drambo. I recommend checking the patch storage website.

    Great suggestion, thx

  • @sevenape said:
    Try looking at the modular apps, I'm certain there's a dfam on mirack, possibly also on audulus and drambo. I recommend checking the patch storage website.

    Indeed it is available on Mirack. I found the YouTube instruction and the patch on patchstorage. I believe it sounds fairly close to DFAM.

    Just this approach only work for people with a hardware controller with quite some knobs or they setup another app for virtual controller like TouchOSC, otherwise Noir still offer the value.

  • Noir is a gift that keeps giving.

  • I like DFAM but don’t want to get into hardware and Noir seems the closest app I could find.

    May be in future when I have more space and budget I will get a Behringer EDGE.

  • I love my Edge. On iOS Brams Hilda is like an Edge on steroids 🤭

  • @danimal said:
    I love my Edge. On iOS Brams Hilda is like an Edge on steroids 🤭

    What’s the primary difference between Hilda and Noir?

  • i'm not exactly sure what makes DFAM what it is... gonna take a look. But could skiiid or seekbeats fill those needs (besides mirack, drambo, noir and hilda as mentioned)

  • @jklovemusic said:

    @danimal said:
    I love my Edge. On iOS Brams Hilda is like an Edge on steroids 🤭

    What’s the primary difference between Hilda and Noir?

    Noir is the one that’s DFAM inspired. Hilda is more Strega-like.

  • @senhorlampada said:
    i'm not exactly sure what makes DFAM what it is... gonna take a look. But could skiiid or seekbeats fill those needs (besides mirack, drambo, noir and hilda as mentioned)

    It’s to do with how the different bits interact, and the sweet spots you can find. App wise, Noir is closest (and indeed can do some things the DFAM can’t, eg number of steps can be other than 8). I have both, and like both, but the DFAM has something special about it I find it hard to put my finger on. Certainly one aspect is being able to patch other gear in and out of it. But it also sounds amazing, and it’s not just crunchy industrial sounding percussion: it can also sound really sweet and warm, and do lovely bass lines as well.

  • @bygjohn said:
    It’s to do with how the different bits interact, and the sweet spots you can find. App wise, Noir is closest (and indeed can do some things the DFAM can’t, eg number of steps can be other than 8). I have both, and like both, but the DFAM has something special about it I find it hard to put my finger on. Certainly one aspect is being able to patch other gear in and out of it. But it also sounds amazing, and it’s not just crunchy industrial sounding percussion: it can also sound really sweet and warm, and do lovely bass lines as well.

    Awesome feedback. Thanks
    I already listened to some DFAM demos before, but reading what you mention and watching one of Moog's videos, I can see why. There is some midas touch with some kind of gear like this one

  • @senhorlampada said:
    There is some midas touch with some kind of gear like this one

    I guess that is what a semi-modular supposed to be (tailor-made hardware and interface). 1 + 1 with some magic > 2

  • @bygjohn thanks for your sharing!

  • I've recreated DFAM in Drambo (only the signal path, not the sequencer). It doesn't sound 100% like the real thing (nor was I aiming for that, if I want DFAM sound, I can always use my DFAM), but it has the spirit.
    I can polish it a bit and share if you're interested.

  • @bygjohn said:
    But it also sounds amazing, and it’s not just crunchy industrial sounding percussion: it can also sound really sweet and warm, and do lovely bass lines as well.

    If only the pitch tracking was more stable across octaves. It can stay more or less in tune within one octave, but goes completely out of tune if you dare to venture further. I'm thinking of recalibrating my Oxi One just to adjust it to the DFAM pitch tracking.

  • @alexwasashrimp said:
    I've recreated DFAM in Drambo (only the signal path, not the sequencer). It doesn't sound 100% like the real thing (nor was I aiming for that, if I want DFAM sound, I can always use my DFAM), but it has the spirit.
    I can polish it a bit and share if you're interested.

    I’d love it if you could share this. My attempts to recreate the DFAM in Drambo were… less than successful. It did remind me of how awesome Noir is however.

  • @ahallam said:

    @alexwasashrimp said:
    I've recreated DFAM in Drambo (only the signal path, not the sequencer). It doesn't sound 100% like the real thing (nor was I aiming for that, if I want DFAM sound, I can always use my DFAM), but it has the spirit.
    I can polish it a bit and share if you're interested.

    I’d love it if you could share this. My attempts to recreate the DFAM in Drambo were… less than successful. It did remind me of how awesome Noir is however.

    Well, mine isn't perfect either, but again, I didn't try to make a true recreation. No spectral analyzers were looked at when creating this patch.

    https://patchstorage.com/dfambo

    https://alexwasashrimp.space/music/dfambo

  • I adapted a patch that Omri Cohen made in vcvrack for miRack for a dfam feel. I liked the results if you wanted to try it out https://patchstorage.com/dfam-2/

  • edited May 15

    Actually EDGE is extremely affordable and so far is the one and only hardware synth I ever want.

    Most hardware synth/grooveboxes(no offense) are like fully auto “film” camera with battery. Those devices don’t offer raw experience like playing with mechanical manual camera. Why I don’t just use a digital(software) camera but a fully auto film one?

    I guess why I like DFAM/EDGE as well as Drambo is these solution removed non-musical routine setup from users

  • Here's a video I did playing with one of
    the DFAM patches that I had created in dRambo
    using a Behringer X Touch.
    It's not one to one as I was focused more
    on the Behringer X Touch and midi mapping.
    I may revisit the project and see if I can release
    a version that uses the screen or it'll be premapped
    for the LaunchControl XL later on this Summer.

  • @alexwasashrimp said:

    @bygjohn said:
    But it also sounds amazing, and it’s not just crunchy industrial sounding percussion: it can also sound really sweet and warm, and do lovely bass lines as well.

    If only the pitch tracking was more stable across octaves. It can stay more or less in tune within one octave, but goes completely out of tune if you dare to venture further. I'm thinking of recalibrating my Oxi One just to adjust it to the DFAM pitch tracking.

    TBH, so far I’ve mostly just tuned each sequencer step by ear rather than using V/oct, so it was probably not technically in tune anyway. Although I think for one project I did use a tuner to tune each step.

    Rather than recalibrate the Oxi, would a scaler module work? It’d be a faff to set it up, but if it’s just used for that, once it’s done it’d be done, and the Oxi could still work properly with other kit.

  • @bygjohn said:

    @alexwasashrimp said:

    @bygjohn said:
    But it also sounds amazing, and it’s not just crunchy industrial sounding percussion: it can also sound really sweet and warm, and do lovely bass lines as well.

    If only the pitch tracking was more stable across octaves. It can stay more or less in tune within one octave, but goes completely out of tune if you dare to venture further. I'm thinking of recalibrating my Oxi One just to adjust it to the DFAM pitch tracking.

    TBH, so far I’ve mostly just tuned each sequencer step by ear rather than using V/oct, so it was probably not technically in tune anyway. Although I think for one project I did use a tuner to tune each step.

    Rather than recalibrate the Oxi, would a scaler module work? It’d be a faff to set it up, but if it’s just used for that, once it’s done it’d be done, and the Oxi could still work properly with other kit.

    That's a solid option, but I don't really want to expand into Eurorack. The DFAM is my only (semi)modular unit (well, except an Edge I bought for a separate project), and it's going to stay this way (unless I run across some crazy deal). So I'm okay with two CV outs on the Oxi being calibrated specifically for the DFAM.

  • @Gravitas said:
    Here's a video I did playing with one of
    the DFAM patches that I had created in dRambo
    using a Behringer X Touch.
    It's not one to one as I was focused more
    on the Behringer X Touch and midi mapping.
    I may revisit the project and see if I can release
    a version that uses the screen or it'll be premapped
    for the LaunchControl XL later on this Summer.

    That was cool. I eagerly await a launchpad remap!

  • @Gravitas said:
    Here's a video I did playing with one of
    the DFAM patches that I had created in dRambo
    using a Behringer X Touch.
    It's not one to one as I was focused more
    on the Behringer X Touch and midi mapping.
    I may revisit the project and see if I can release
    a version that uses the screen or it'll be premapped
    for the LaunchControl XL later on this Summer.

    The mixer is controlling Drambo...what is the thing with the buttons on your right?

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @Gravitas said:
    Here's a video I did playing with one of
    the DFAM patches that I had created in dRambo
    using a Behringer X Touch.
    It's not one to one as I was focused more
    on the Behringer X Touch and midi mapping.
    I may revisit the project and see if I can release
    a version that uses the screen or it'll be premapped
    for the LaunchControl XL later on this Summer.

    The mixer is controlling Drambo...what is the thing with the buttons on your right?

    Almost all of the 92 buttons are controlling various parameters in dRambo.
    The faders and encoders control gate length, filter frequency and resonance
    and the buttons control OSC pitch, OSC volume and OSC pitch randomisation.
    The buttons alongside the faders control which steps are played and
    as the X Touch has nine faders and associated buttons it fit perfectly as a
    the front end for a DFAMesque instrument.
    I'm going to have to either simplify the preset or have the parameters
    on a couple of scenes when I design the one for the LaunchControl XL.

  • I’m more a musician and very new to music production. Sound design is already a completely new ball game to me. Production also.

    To build my own synth might help my sound design but I will leave it later. That’s why I love semi-modular so much. Most joy with least pain.

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