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Asking for suggestions for 25/37/61 note controllers...

pax-eternapax-eterna
edited August 5 in Hardware

absolutely essential - very good key feel! With as little key/keybed noise as possible. Budget is not cheap, but also not extremely high end either :)

Aftertouch on the 61 needed but not on the other sizes.

Looking to create a dual keyboard rig using two controllers on a level plane, IE not on stacked keyboard stand, rather, side by side. Still tossing up between a 37/49, 25/61 or 37/61 combo.

I've pretty much always been a single 76/88 sort of user. This is a new system I am thinking of for playing live bass and keys, but getting two separate outs, and using two different apps for doing so.

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  • mikejohnmikejohn

    As far as really good key feel goes, and just all around quality, have a look at Arturia Keystep 37 .. they have others but this is the one I have and use and can speak about from experience .

  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez

    Arturia Minilab 3

  • pax-eternapax-eterna

    @yellow_eyez said:
    Arturia Minilab 3

    Sorry no mini-keys!

  • pax-eternapax-eterna
    edited August 5

    @mikejohn said:
    As far as really good key feel goes, and just all around quality, have a look at Arturia Keystep 37 .. they have others but this is the one I have and use and can speak about from experience .

    Will check it out, thanks...

    ahh, again a mini-keys...sorry I cannot use them!

  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez

    I don’t think they are mini , perhaps smaller than full size but not miniature

    Minilab is just the model name

    They DO have a mini keyboard too i think

    Anyway good luck

  • pax-eternapax-eterna

    @yellow_eyez said:
    I don’t think they are mini , perhaps smaller than full size but not miniature

    Minilab is just the model name

    They DO have a mini keyboard too i think

    Anyway good luck

    Ahh ok thanks - will have another look

  • SpiritosSpiritos
    edited August 6

    I'm a pianist amongst many things and I've recently decided to go iPad and away from PC DAW. And I'm struggling to find my setup. I have a Kawai ES110 hookup (best piano feel for that price range) and bought a AKAI MPK225 thinking mobile and travel scenarios.

    I alternate between singer songwriter stuff on acoustic guitar and electronic muisc and figured a 25 note controler would suffice in arranging my acoustic songs while on the road and my full fledged 88 keys were for piano parts on acoustic songs and rapid licks for EDM.

    I have now found out the 88 keys have no use when making electronic music while the 25 keys are of no use for my acoustic arranging although I can still see that coming when I want to travel light and have songs that are developed maturely, just need to get into it.

    Bottomline though is now want a 49 or 61 keys. 49 would cover all my EDM need and 61 gives me enough octaves to play riffs for acoustic songs while also adding that quick 'keyboard /synthfeel' as what I first though of as a missing feature (hammersystem, velocity, sturdiness of a piano) is actually a completely different approach. For one I love a pitch and modwheel for funky loose playing and evolving soundsvapes.

    So I guess you need to ask yourself what kind of player you are. You want to play bassline or notes with your lefthand while soloing with your right, get more keys. Do you wanna record instrument line one by one then I'd say 49 is enough. 25 keys imo is only and ONLY for finishing/producing a song, quickly stampling sounds and play parts or people who mostly looping, creating beats and as such essentialy electronic music in the general sense.

    Lastly, I tried and had some midi keyboards before and tbh (as a pianist) I find the key noises pretty much similar. Had an Edirol, Novation and PCR.

    Hope this helps choosing between a 25/49/61 controller.

  • pax-eternapax-eterna

    Thanks - yes I am thinking of a 37/49 combo tbh - with the possibility of a 61, so those songs I don't need the bass in I can sorta get away with a 61 for more broader keys parts. A 76 would not work because of the space requirement when added to a 37 note...There is the Dexibell Vivo S1 73 , which COULD at a pinch, run beside a 37, but at around$1500 it is too exxy!

  • SpiritosSpiritos

    @pax-eterna said:
    Thanks - yes I am thinking of a 37/49 combo tbh - with the possibility of a 61, so those songs I don't need the bass in I can sorta get away with a 61 for more broader keys parts. A 76 would not work because of the space requirement when added to a 37 note...There is the Dexibell Vivo S1 73 , which COULD at a pinch, run beside a 37, but at around$1500 it is too exxy!

    Just realise I didn't know if you're looking for a MIDI 'note controller' master keyboard or a keyboard with accual sounds in it (like the Dexibell)? The latter is expensive while a MIDI master keyboard you can buy very cheap (even used on EBAY).

  • pax-eternapax-eterna

    Yeah predominantly a controller setup tbh, but that Vivo S1 is a nice bit of kit!

  • wimwim
    edited August 6

    I'm assuming you've considered just piping a single 88 key through a keyboard splitting utility, or using AUM or other host's ability to split keys? I'm curios why that's not an attractive option.

    Seems to me the advantage is flexibility. The split can be anywhere you want, or not at all, and can be changed per song or at any time on the fly.

  • SamuSamu

    I know it's not everyones favorite but I absolutely love my CME XKey 25with the orange USB Cable!

  • sigma79sigma79

    Would like to feel a synthy action 88 key

    But an 88 key hammer key

    Plus a launchpad x ( for synths and bass )

    Is a good combo.

    Even though velocity is good on launchpad. It feels weird or not as good. After using real piano key.

    Its good for patching though and maybe bass.

  • pax-eternapax-eterna

    @wim said:
    I'm assuming you've considered just piping a single 88 key through a keyboard splitting utility, or using AUM or other host's ability to split keys? I'm curios why that's not an attractive option.

    Seems to me the advantage is flexibility. The split can be anywhere you want, or not at all, and can be changed per song or at any time on the fly.

    Been using it that way for years! This is a different setup I am thinking of :)

  • jamietopoljamietopol

    The Korg Keystage 61 has the most modern tech (supports MIDI 2.0, channel pressure, and poly aftertouch), but I remember hearing that it has a "thunky" key sound. The Novation 61SL MkIII received positive reviews for it's key action. Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S61 is another option, but I don't know much about the action. If aftertouch wasn't a requirement, I would highly recommend the Casio CT-S1 (or CT-S400, if you want a pitch bend wheel). The action is great and among the quietest I have ever used. So many MIDI controllers are either "clicky-clacky" or "thunky." I will follow this thread to see what you end up with.

  • jamietopoljamietopol

    Thorough review of the Korg Keystage: https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/1bctphs/korg_keystage_proscons_list_returning_it/

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