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RAM size?

I read in a lot of comments that Logic Pro is a "dog" with 8gig of RAM. What is the truth, or is it folks who area only "guessing" 16gig RAM is minimum, trying to justify their rather more expensive hardware purchase? All unknown things to a new macbook air user....eg I also read that according to Apple the 8gig ram on an M1 is like 16gig on other systems??

I am also asking at Reaper (as I already own a licence for it and Logic is near $300 down here) to see if 8 gig on an M1 macbook air will work for Reaper. If a positive result I'll probs just stick with Reaper, but Logic Pro does appeal :)

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  • edited August 9

    TLDR; it’ll be fine for the time being but if you’re upgrading anytime soon, get 16GB.

    Apple saying 8GB RAM on their SOC Silicon is like 16GB RAM is tantamount to a Pizza joint calling their slices Worlds Best.

    They’re always going to tout their own products as amazing. They do this to justify selling their base models are completely okay at 8GB so they can continue selling 8GB as the starting point and overcharge at the point of sale on their non-user-changeable chip. Their markup on RAM is price gouging and anyone arguing the opposite is willingly lying to themselves. 8GB base model on the Air was introduced 8 years ago. It’s almost a decade of the same as if creator centric apps haven’t grown more demanding.

    You don’t get to a multi-trillion dollar evaluation by being fair to your customers.

    If you’re making music and want to have other apps running, a writing app, a browser, etc. 16GB is great and future proofing yourself as you grow. I have an 8GB now and as I’ve grown, it’s been a hindrance I regret after several years of usage.

  • 8 gig will work fine for reaper. On a m1.
    A m1 is a lot better for heavy audio plugins compared to intel!

    Logic has a lot of audio plugins built in for that price.
    You can freeze tracks to save ram and processor.

  • @Alfred said:
    8 gig will work fine for reaper. On a m1.
    A m1 is a lot better for heavy audio plugins compared to intel!

    Logic has a lot of audio plugins built in for that price.
    You can freeze tracks to save ram and processor.

    Yes it was the audio plugins that were attracting me....may mean not needing Pianoteq, Sampletank and Gospel Musicians software....can run "all in the box" so to speak. But would need to seriously test out the Logic add-ons first :)

  • Mainstage gives you all the logic plugins for a tenth. But you will mis the daw. The mainstage plugins are not usable in reaper though.

  • @pax-eterna said:
    I read in a lot of comments that Logic Pro is a "dog" with 8gig of RAM. What is the truth, or is it folks who area only "guessing" 16gig RAM is minimum, trying to justify their rather more expensive hardware purchase? All unknown things to a new macbook air user....eg I also read that according to Apple the 8gig ram on an M1 is like 16gig on other systems??

    I am also asking at Reaper (as I already own a licence for it and Logic is near $300 down here) to see if 8 gig on an M1 macbook air will work for Reaper. If a positive result I'll probs just stick with Reaper, but Logic Pro does appeal :)

    I think this is highly contextual. As @offbrands and @Alfred mentioned, 8GB will be good for Reaper and likely many other "heavy" apps if you use them in isolation. Once you start running more apps concurrently, the RAM will fill up quite fast. The way macOS caches files as they are "touched" basically ensures you will fill up 8GB of ram pretty quick...but it is fairly good at managing the memory for you and for the most part this should all be transparent. Slowdowns will happen when RAM is full and the memory starts getting compressed and then bleeding into the SSD, which requires more management on the system's end.

    There's no way 8GB RAM will ever be the same as 16GB, regardless their claims. Their SoC design does yield very fast and power efficient usage of the RAM, however, which is likely what they base those claims on.

  • @tom_ward said:

    @pax-eterna said:
    I read in a lot of comments that Logic Pro is a "dog" with 8gig of RAM. What is the truth, or is it folks who area only "guessing" 16gig RAM is minimum, trying to justify their rather more expensive hardware purchase? All unknown things to a new macbook air user....eg I also read that according to Apple the 8gig ram on an M1 is like 16gig on other systems??

    I am also asking at Reaper (as I already own a licence for it and Logic is near $300 down here) to see if 8 gig on an M1 macbook air will work for Reaper. If a positive result I'll probs just stick with Reaper, but Logic Pro does appeal :)

    I think this is highly contextual. As @offbrands and @Alfred mentioned, 8GB will be good for Reaper and likely many other "heavy" apps if you use them in isolation. Once you start running more apps concurrently, the RAM will fill up quite fast. The way macOS caches files as they are "touched" basically ensures you will fill up 8GB of ram pretty quick...but it is fairly good at managing the memory for you and for the most part this should all be transparent. Slowdowns will happen when RAM is full and the memory starts getting compressed and then bleeding into the SSD, which requires more management on the system's end.

    There's no way 8GB RAM will ever be the same as 16GB, regardless their claims. Their SoC design does yield very fast and power efficient usage of the RAM, however, which is likely what they base those claims on.

    +1 - Well said, much more concise and less agitated sounding than my post lol. Cheers

  • For anyone using a computer for really just about any creative pursuit (music, graphics, video, etc...) the advice that resonates with me is to always get the most computer you can afford. OSes as well as 1st and 3rd party applications are all well-known to add features that suck up any excess capacity in computers, so a machine that feels overbuilt today will feel barely adequate in the future. How long that takes depends on the spec you buy today.

    An M1 MacBook with 8GB ram should be just fine running Logic, and it is today! But whoops, they just released a bunch of "AI" plugins in LP 11 and my guess is they work a lot more smoothly on a later gen chip with more GPU cores, and with more RAM to spare. Intel Macs are left out in the cold on the new features because they don't have the horsepower. So someone might've felt smart getting a close-out deal on a high-spec Intel Mac 2 years ago, but that's gotta be tinged with some regret now.

    This is not, by the way, me buying into or endorsing the notion of "planned obsolescence". The market (that's us) demands new features out of software and operating systems continuously, which naturally require more hardware resources to run well. People get mad as hell when a new version of macOS or a major app comes out and it's just a refinement/bugfix release (even though those sorts of releases frequently improve performance, including for users on older hardware).

    Anyway @pax-eterna, my advice is buy as much hardware spec* as you can budget, even if it means delaying a software purchase for a bit. I've had Mac laptops that have lasted me 6-8 years no problem, and others where I tried to save a buck and the thing was unusable after a couple years.

    *bearing in mind your intended workload, which you know better than I. Like, for me, I try to maximize RAM and storage, and don't worry too much about screen size and number of USB ports, since I have a TB dock and an external display. Your needs might be different.

  • @tom_ward said:
    There's no way 8GB RAM will ever be the same as 16GB, regardless their claims. Their SoC design does yield very fast and power efficient usage of the RAM, however, which is likely what they base those claims on.

    Of course. 16GB is always better than 8GB. But if the question is whether an 8GB M1 Macbook is fine for Logic Pro, then I think the answer is probably, "Yes". Anyone can search for lots of old youtube videos that put M1 Macbook Air through its paces on music tasks back when it was introduced (2020?). Here's more recent one that shows 8GB M1 still works quite well:

    "Is the M1 MacBook good for music production in 2024?"

  • Thanks folks!! Really good info and a lot to think about....I have the Macbook Air M1 already, and initially it was only to run an audio app on stage for shows, mostly running trax and a couple of Auv3s...it was only after I got it and started reading about Logic etc etc, that I started to think, "well, hey, what else can I do wit this thing..."

  • @pax-eterna said:
    Thanks folks!! Really good info and a lot to think about....I have the Macbook Air M1 already, and initially it was only to run an audio app on stage for shows, mostly running trax and a couple of Auv3s...it was only after I got it and started reading about Logic etc etc, that I started to think, "well, hey, what else can I do wit this thing..."

    For what it's worth, if you're specifically wondering about performance with Logic Pro you can download the free 90-day trial version:
    https://www.apple.com/logic-pro/trial/

  • @hes said:

    @pax-eterna said:
    Thanks folks!! Really good info and a lot to think about....I have the Macbook Air M1 already, and initially it was only to run an audio app on stage for shows, mostly running trax and a couple of Auv3s...it was only after I got it and started reading about Logic etc etc, that I started to think, "well, hey, what else can I do wit this thing..."

    For what it's worth, if you're specifically wondering about performance with Logic Pro you can download the free 90-day trial version:
    https://www.apple.com/logic-pro/trial/

    90 days, that's pretty decent actually - I might try that and just see how it goes! Thanks!!

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