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Annoying bar at bottom of M2

So, this really draws my eye. Can I get rid of it somehow? I’m thinking it’s related to the tool bar, which I can live without. Thx. Hope you’re all having a good Sunday. Especially you sun worshippers out there.

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  • There is a way to get rid of it, but it's a bit of a pain to deal with:

    • Go to Settings app
    • Go to Accessibility
    • Scroll down to the General section and find Guided Access
    • Turn on Guided Access

    Now: go back to your app and hit the power button 3 times. This will bring up the guided access "start" menu. Once that is on, the bar should go away, but you'll be locked into a single app and there may be other side effects. You may end up just learning to ignore the bar :smile:

  • edited August 11

    @tom_ward lol, you may be right. Hate those side effects. I need to go to Settings in my mind, I think, and make the proper adjustment. Thx, bro.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @tom_ward lol, you may be right. Hate those side effects. I need to go to Settings in my mind, I think, and make the proper adjustment. Thx, bro.

    Another example of apple fucking up the user experience just to have a more streamlined form factor. Bloody Apple!

  • I’ve been using Soundcloud.com and never even noticed that small section of controls. I just use the
    large arrow for start and I’m good to go.

    The better solution is to use the SoundCloud iPad App. Large controls.

    I do use the browser view for some editing features and to get the “Share” link for embedding so I need both.

  • edited August 11

    @LinearLineman said:
    @tom_ward lol, you may be right. Hate those side effects. I need to go to Settings in my mind, I think, and make the proper adjustment. Thx, bro.

    No worries...at least the mind settings can be adjusted haha.

    @Gavinski said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    @tom_ward lol, you may be right. Hate those side effects. I need to go to Settings in my mind, I think, and make the proper adjustment. Thx, bro.

    Another example of apple fucking up the user experience just to have a more streamlined form factor. Bloody Apple!

    This bar is IMO the most annoying of all such examples. At least the 3 dots at top can be removed if the app requires fullscreen. I doubt people are suddenly forgetting how the multitask works and requiring a permanent visual reminder. :(

  • @tom_ward said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    @tom_ward lol, you may be right. Hate those side effects. I need to go to Settings in my mind, I think, and make the proper adjustment. Thx, bro.

    No worries...at least the mind settings can be adjusted haha.

    @Gavinski said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    @tom_ward lol, you may be right. Hate those side effects. I need to go to Settings in my mind, I think, and make the proper adjustment. Thx, bro.

    Another example of apple fucking up the user experience just to have a more streamlined form factor. Bloody Apple!

    This bar is IMO the most annoying of all such examples. At least the 3 dots at top can be removed if the app requires fullscreen. I doubt people are suddenly forgetting how the multitask works and requiring a permanent visual reminder. :(

    There must be a way for an app to hide it - it disappears in some games. Probably needs to be done by the individual apps, though.

    The good news is that you’ll probably ignore it after a while: I barely notice it now, after a few months. It can be quite handy occasionally if you’re switching between a couple of apps repeatedly, but otherwise it’s main function seems to be to remind you there’s a pull-up dock, which surely pretty much everyone will have worked out in double quick time and won’t need reminding. sigh

  • edited August 11

    @bygjohn said:

    @tom_ward said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    @tom_ward lol, you may be right. Hate those side effects. I need to go to Settings in my mind, I think, and make the proper adjustment. Thx, bro.

    No worries...at least the mind settings can be adjusted haha.

    @Gavinski said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    @tom_ward lol, you may be right. Hate those side effects. I need to go to Settings in my mind, I think, and make the proper adjustment. Thx, bro.

    Another example of apple fucking up the user experience just to have a more streamlined form factor. Bloody Apple!

    This bar is IMO the most annoying of all such examples. At least the 3 dots at top can be removed if the app requires fullscreen. I doubt people are suddenly forgetting how the multitask works and requiring a permanent visual reminder. :(

    There must be a way for an app to hide it - it disappears in some games. Probably needs to be done by the individual apps, though.

    The good news is that you’ll probably ignore it after a while: I barely notice it now, after a few months. It can be quite handy occasionally if you’re switching between a couple of apps repeatedly, but otherwise it’s main function seems to be to remind you there’s a pull-up dock, which surely pretty much everyone will have worked out in double quick time and won’t need reminding. sigh

    I was thinking there was not, because configuring the app project to require fullscreen only got rid of the 3 dots at top (the split screen menu). So, I took another stab at it...and you're right!

    It has to be "hidden" at the code level, there isn't a project setting I can find for it. Also, it isn't really gone, it's just hiding. Dragging on the screen in the bar's area will cause it to reappear, so app developers still need to leave space in the general region it exists. But visually it's cleaner this way.

    Don't mean to hijack the thread, as this doesn't solve @LinearLineman's issue unfortunately.

  • Any app or website that has the home bar somehow interfering with its controls is doing it wrong -- Apple provides APIs (even in the browser) to know how much space to leave blank so the bar (and any other iOS or hardware "intrusions") doesn't block any controls.

    However I would agree that the fact that the OS can randomly place arbitrary controls inside your app's or website's "SafeSpace™️" is pretty annoying for everyone! 🙄

  • @SevenSystems said:
    Any app or website that has the home bar somehow interfering with its controls is doing it wrong -- Apple provides APIs (even in the browser) to know how much space to leave blank so the bar (and any other iOS or hardware "intrusions") doesn't block any controls.

    However I would agree that the fact that the OS can randomly place arbitrary controls inside your app's or website's "SafeSpace™️" is pretty annoying for everyone! 🙄

    Yep, it is ultimately an implementation error on the app or site developer. The one caveat I've seen is that the 3-dot split screen control seems to exist inside the safe zones, and I've had to manually position things around it.

  • edited August 11

    The bar doesn’t appear on the Home Screen, however. I’ve also gotten it to turn grey, tho I don’t know how I did it. Anyway, I don’t own a boat so I don’t know why I should need a dock.

    Why does it bother me? For the same reason channel icons on tv programs bother me. And I’m aesthetically a minimalist. I don’t care for extra stuff on an iPad or a table top.

  • edited August 11

    @LinearLineman said:
    The bar doesn’t appear on the Home Screen, however. I’ve also gotten it to turn grey, tho I don’t know how I did it. Anyway, I don’t own a boat so I don’t know why I should need a dock.

    Why does it bother me? For the same reason channel icons on tv programs bother me. And I’m aesthetically a minimalist. I don’t care for extra stuff on an iPad or a table top.

    Hahaha! This years funniest comment on this forum!!

    And, WTF Apple, let us remove the bottom line permanently!

  • @LinearLineman said:
    The bar doesn’t appear on the Home Screen, however. I’ve also gotten it to turn grey, tho I don’t know how I did it. Anyway, I don’t own a boat so I don’t know why I should need a dock.

    Why does it bother me? For the same reason channel icons on tv programs bother me. And I’m aesthetically a minimalist. I don’t care for extra stuff on an iPad or a table top.

    I totally get the minimalism aspect -- I mean, it's ME who has removed that bar on all my jailbroken devices 😄

    I know, not an option in your case.

  • @tom_ward said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    Any app or website that has the home bar somehow interfering with its controls is doing it wrong -- Apple provides APIs (even in the browser) to know how much space to leave blank so the bar (and any other iOS or hardware "intrusions") doesn't block any controls.

    However I would agree that the fact that the OS can randomly place arbitrary controls inside your app's or website's "SafeSpace™️" is pretty annoying for everyone! 🙄

    Yep, it is ultimately an implementation error on the app or site developer. The one caveat I've seen is that the 3-dot split screen control seems to exist inside the safe zones, and I've had to manually position things around it.

    I seem to remember the three dots are always part of the status bar and thus should be included in safeAreaInsets.top or CSS env(--safe-area-inset-top). But I also find this stuff frustrating to deal with and have probably erased details from my biological SSD 😄

  • @LinearLineman said:
    The bar doesn’t appear on the Home Screen, however. I’ve also gotten it to turn grey, tho I don’t know how I did it.

    Yeh...it kinda just does what it wants :smiley:

  • edited August 11

    @SevenSystems said:

    @tom_ward said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    Any app or website that has the home bar somehow interfering with its controls is doing it wrong -- Apple provides APIs (even in the browser) to know how much space to leave blank so the bar (and any other iOS or hardware "intrusions") doesn't block any controls.

    However I would agree that the fact that the OS can randomly place arbitrary controls inside your app's or website's "SafeSpace™️" is pretty annoying for everyone! 🙄

    Yep, it is ultimately an implementation error on the app or site developer. The one caveat I've seen is that the 3-dot split screen control seems to exist inside the safe zones, and I've had to manually position things around it.

    I seem to remember the three dots are always part of the status bar and thus should be included in safeAreaInsets.top or CSS env(--safe-area-inset-top). But I also find this stuff frustrating to deal with and have probably erased details from my biological SSD 😄

    You're right, but there's a quirk where if one disables the status bar in their app it doesn't disable that control...which frees it from the safe area. They really want you to have those dots. The app can specify that it requires fullscreen, which removes the control. I like the idea of allowing split-screen, but still not having the status bar.

  • @tom_ward said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @tom_ward said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    Any app or website that has the home bar somehow interfering with its controls is doing it wrong -- Apple provides APIs (even in the browser) to know how much space to leave blank so the bar (and any other iOS or hardware "intrusions") doesn't block any controls.

    However I would agree that the fact that the OS can randomly place arbitrary controls inside your app's or website's "SafeSpace™️" is pretty annoying for everyone! 🙄

    Yep, it is ultimately an implementation error on the app or site developer. The one caveat I've seen is that the 3-dot split screen control seems to exist inside the safe zones, and I've had to manually position things around it.

    I seem to remember the three dots are always part of the status bar and thus should be included in safeAreaInsets.top or CSS env(--safe-area-inset-top). But I also find this stuff frustrating to deal with and have probably erased details from my biological SSD 😄

    You're right, but there's a quirk where if one disables the status bar in their app it doesn't disable that control...which frees it from the safe area. They really want you to have those dots. The app can specify that it requires fullscreen, which removes the control. I like the idea of allowing split-screen, but still not having the status bar.

    Aha yeah now I remember this from Xequence. Yes I think essentially Apple wants to get rid of "Requires Fullscreen" apps altogether 😊 I mean I get it... they've made all these efforts to make the iPad a "true computer" so maybe it's just a frustration for developers that's agreeable...

  • @tom_ward said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    The bar doesn’t appear on the Home Screen, however. I’ve also gotten it to turn grey, tho I don’t know how I did it.

    Yeh...it kinda just does what it wants :smiley:

    It's not on the Home Screen because you can't meaningfully swipe up from the bottom there (it's meant as a "visual reminder" of that possibility). I think the color of the bar is decided by iOS through a combination of the state of the "Dark Mode" option, each app's "Status Bar Appearance" setting, and also some heuristics based on what an app draws in that area. Yeah you really open a good can of worms when you intrude your OS widgets into random apps' traditionally rectangular windows 😂

  • @SevenSystems it turns grey when I open up the Cubasis app. Now I’m trying to get it to record from the hub and cables I got!

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