Cubasis 3.6 can route MIDI CC to automation parameters?

mojozart

I see where MIDI Learn is enabled, and I see a lot of additional Halion Sonic parameters listed under Automation (that aren't exposed in Halion UI), but I don't see a way to map MIDI CC to one of these parameters.

I also don't see a way to map MIDI CC to an AUv3's exposed parameters.

yellow_eyez

@mojozart said:
I see where MIDI Learn is enabled, and I see a lot of additional Halion Sonic parameters listed under Automation (that aren't exposed in Halion UI), but I don't see a way to map MIDI CC to one of these parameters.

I also don't see a way to map MIDI CC to an AUv3's exposed parameters.

If you mean assign midi learn to a midi controller knob or fader ; it doesn’t work with automation parameters exposed by other hosts - you can only manually adjust with your finger and “R/W” automation that you just picture

Only the Steinberg plugins/Halion etc can be mapped to your midi controller

This is something I’ve been asking Lars and Steinberg for about 2 years, 4-6 years for others who used it longer

mojozart

This is something I’ve been asking Lars and Steinberg for about 2 years, 4-6 years for others who used it longer

Thanks for clarifying. I assumed that all the iPad DAWs provided a way to route MIDI CC to the automation parameters exposed by AUv3 plugins or by the built-in instruments.

yellow_eyez

Cubasis is blocking that for 3rd party
Only internal auv3 can be midi learned
Sucks I know

belldu

This feels generally possible through Mozaic, but would need to try it.
The theory is:

1. Setup the Auv3 to respond to cc to do something (i.e. adjust cutoff)
2. Setup a hardware controller to emit the same cc (i.e. via a slider change)
3. Use Mosaic as a MIDI effect in Cubasis and have the input cc adjust a slider in Mozaic and passthrough the cc to the Auv3
4. Record the Mozaic slider through 'Write mode' in Cubasis

You'd then have automation recorded in Cubasis that's created by an external controller rather than the lame drawing method.

You still may be stuck with Halion if you can't map cc within the synth, but I might try this with a Swam instrument as they can map their expression params to cc's inside the instrument...

belldu

I've realised I'm confused and I probably don't understand the request here, but I simply setup my keyboard to emit cc 11 (expression) on a slider, used Swam violin, then hit record in Cubasis and Cubasis recorded the cc perfectly from controller input and plays it back fine too.

If you want to remap to another cc then just use Mozaic in the middle.
This was fun for me to do as I realised that this Mozaic script gives me ADSR for Expression on Swam instruments. i.e when it receives NoteOn it generates a stream of cc 11 messages that automatically modify expression until NoteOff.

https://patchstorage.com/midi-adsr/

Sounds like not being able to work with cc is a limitation of Halion instrument rather than Cubasis itself?

mojozart

@belldu said:
The theory is:

1. Setup the Auv3 to respond to cc to do something (i.e. adjust cutoff)

This is where I'm stuck. AUv3 have automation params; they don't necessarily (intrinsically) handle MIDI CC or provide any mapping from MIDI CC to their automation params.

Because AUM, apeMatrix, Zenbeats and just about every other AUv3 host (except Cubasis!) can map MIDI CC to automation params, I figured they all did. I even thought it was wasted effort for an AUv3 to replicate this.

You still may be stuck with Halion if you can't map cc within the synth

Yup, and there are also a lot of AUv3's that can't.

By the way, in case it matters, I'm interested in mapping for live performance, not recording.

Thanks for the tip re. SWAM. I was curious to see how a woodwind controller would sound with Halion Sonic in Cubasis, but I can't complain too loudly when there's SWAM, Jubal Flute, Respiro, Qithesizer, etc.