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Need help mapping Arturia MK2 to SWAMs

The MK2 manual is no help because it only talks about mapping with a computer, not iOS. @thesoundtestroom has a video mapping MK2 to ANIMOOG.

I want to learn how to map pedals and mod wheel to control SWAM expression like breath control,
Growl, tremolo, etc. Any help or appropriate tutorial links welcome. Thanks!

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  • Not sure because of host used.

    If Cubasis.

    Think you might need parameters of apps to be exposed in host. So then it can also be automated/edited.

    Otherwise you would just point keyboard at the apps and set the ccs in the swam apps. I guess if you put a midi monitor after keyboard. It will tell you what cc info the keyboard its sending. So you can then choose what cc will be what, in the apps.

    But doubt you can record the movement of cc if not exposed in host.

    I think we concluded cubasis does actually know of expression cc etc but unsure how you would re-route to a swam parameter of your choosing, if the parameters arnt exposed.

    Could be wrong.

    It might actually let you re-route to swam parameters but assumed you cant generally map midi controllers to au instruments.

  • edited September 1

    @sigma79 I’m making some progress. The SWAMs make it pretty easy. Just tap learn and move controller. I haven’t assigned any CCs, but it doesn’t seem to matter.

    What’s a bit difficult is controlling the aftertouch. It’s activated pretty easily. I’d like to adjust the sensitivity down but don’t know if that’s possible. Soft legato playing seems to avoid triggering it, which makes sense.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @sigma79 I’m making some progress. The SWAMs make it pretty easy. Just tap learn and move controller. I haven’t assigned any CCs, but it doesn’t seem to matter.

    What’s a bit difficult is controlling the aftertouch. It’s activated pretty easily. I’d like to adjust the sensitivity down but don’t know if that’s possible. Soft legato playing seems to avoid triggering it, which makes sense.

    A quick web search indicates that a lot of people are unhappy with the aftertouch on that keyboard. I didn’t find any mentions of a way to adjust it. You might contact Arturia support.

  • edited September 1

    @sigma79 I’m making some progress. The SWAMs make it pretty easy. Just tap learn and move controller. I haven’t assigned any CCs, but it doesn’t seem to matter.

    What’s a bit difficult is controlling the aftertouch. It’s activated pretty easily. I’d like to adjust the sensitivity down but don’t know if that’s possible. Soft legato playing seems to avoid triggering it, which makes sense.

    I dont even know what aftertouch is lol but its probably essential for swams, although I havent mapped. Probably more needed for keyboard style swam systems though.

    I think it just gives you an additional parameter.

  • @sigma79 Aftertouch is when you keep pressing at the bottom of the key it gives you an additional effect.

  • edited September 1

    @espiegel123 said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    @sigma79 I’m making some progress. The SWAMs make it pretty easy. Just tap learn and move controller. I haven’t assigned any CCs, but it doesn’t seem to matter.

    What’s a bit difficult is controlling the aftertouch. It’s activated pretty easily. I’d like to adjust the sensitivity down but don’t know if that’s possible. Soft legato playing seems to avoid triggering it, which makes sense.

    A quick web search indicates that a lot of people are unhappy with the aftertouch on that keyboard. I didn’t find any mentions of a way to adjust it. You might contact Arturia support.

    Hmmm. I can see that. Not sure if it is a dealbreaker. It will require some further exploration. Maybe Doug @thesoundtestroom can give me an opinion as I know he has used one.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @sigma79 I’m making some progress. The SWAMs make it pretty easy. Just tap learn and move controller. I haven’t assigned any CCs, but it doesn’t seem to matter.

    What’s a bit difficult is controlling the aftertouch. It’s activated pretty easily. I’d like to adjust the sensitivity down but don’t know if that’s possible. Soft legato playing seems to avoid triggering it, which makes sense.

    I have a 61 mkii. You can change the aftertouch response curve, that might help.

    The default is linear, the harder you press, it moves from 0-127 in a straight line. There's not much travel and I've found some keys seem to be more sensitive than others.

    You could try changing the curve to exponential, a curve that starts shallow and gradually gets steeper.

    The clunky way to change this is to hold the user button for 1 second. When it says "User preset edit", press the highest D note on the keyboard (on the case above the note you'll see the word Global)

    Next, scroll the jog wheel to "Key Aft Curv", press the wheel and dial it to Exp

    Press the User button (that's flashing) and then press the wheel down to save. It will ask you which user profile you want to save this change to (you can have 10 user profiles), press the wheel again. Finally, unless you want to rename the user profile, just press the wheel again and you're done.

    Hope that helps.

  • That sounds great @timforsyth. It’ll give it a try. Thx!

  • @timforsyth your directions were flawless. I changed to exponential. I think it helped a bit. However, it is still a problem if I’m not careful. What I discovered was I can midi edit the volume and correct the louder notes… that’s what the aftertouch seems to be doing… just playing the notes louder.

    I guess I can deal with that and ignore the volume increases as I’m playing. I never play live, so no problem. And the midi editing… as an iOS practitioner, I’m used to extra steps.

    Btw, I tried adjusting the volume down from 137. That seemed to help. Is that just my imagination?

    Thx for the good advice.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @timforsyth your directions were flawless. I changed to exponential. I think it helped a bit. However, it is still a problem if I’m not careful. What I discovered was I can midi edit the volume and correct the louder notes… that’s what the aftertouch seems to be doing… just playing the notes louder.

    I guess I can deal with that and ignore the volume increases as I’m playing. I never play live, so no problem. And the midi editing… as an iOS practitioner, I’m used to extra steps.

    Btw, I tried adjusting the volume down from 137. That seemed to help. Is that just my imagination?

    Thx for the good advice.

    Aftertouch’s effect will depend on what it is mapped to.

  • @espiegel123 i don’t know how to edit aftertouch. Maybe @timforsyth will explain how to get to it.
    I’m learning… but s l o w l y.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @espiegel123 i don’t know how to edit aftertouch. Maybe @timforsyth will explain how to get to it.
    I’m learning… but s l o w l y.

    The issue isn’t editing aftertouch. The issue is in your synth’s modulation mapping. You f aftertouch isn’t mapped to something in the receiving synth or app, it won’t affect the sound.

    For example, here is my SWAM viola set to use after touch for expression:

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    @espiegel123 i don’t know how to edit aftertouch. Maybe @timforsyth will explain how to get to it.
    I’m learning… but s l o w l y.

    The issue isn’t editing aftertouch. The issue is in your synth’s modulation mapping. You f aftertouch isn’t mapped to something in the receiving synth or app, it won’t affect the sound.

    For example, here is my SWAM viola set to use after touch for expression:

    Ah. Another clue! Thx, bro.

  • edited September 2

    @espiegel123, The closest I get is this, but I can’t find the search parameter screen listing AT as you’ve shown. The closest I get is this

    How do I get to your screen that shows AT? Thx.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @espiegel123, The closest I get is this, but I can’t find the search parameter screen listing AT as you’ve shown. The closest I get is this

    How do I get to your screen that shows AT? Thx.

    Tapping on the modulator type cycles through the types of modulators. Tap where you see CC

  • Got it @espiegel123. Thanks so much!

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