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Zeeon vs Sunrizer vs Dagger.
This is an extension of the thread from a few months ago: Lots of Love for Zeeon [https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/60299/lots-of-love-for-zeeon]
Zeeon vs Sunrizer vs Dagger. I'm at a point where I want to pick one analog-style iOS synth and spend time learning it's features and going deep with it. I own Zeeon and like what I hear; I played vintage synths in the early '90's so I know a good analog sound when I hear it.
_Question: Is either of these three (all mentioned in the original thread) more recent, more up-to-date than the other? What do they do differently?
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I prefer to find a dozen or so patches/presets that I like and stick with those, rather than constantly knob twisting and modding. I do like sounds that have a lot of expressiveness controlled by the mod wheel and key pressure on my controller keyboards.
Should I just stick with Zeeon?
Steve
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Ob-xd 3 and Dagger for me.
These would be more similar to Zeeon. Apart from Duophony Dagger.
Iv read sunriser is kind of analogue digital.
Tried Zeeon and Sunrizer.
But kept Ob-xd and Dagger.
UI wise.
It probably goes Dagger, then Ob-xd but both are good. Then sunrizer, then zeeon.
If I recall.
Sunriser is probably better ui than zeeon.
Maybe not for more minimistic look but button/knob size.
Iv just read your despription again.
With Dagger and Ob-xd.
You will want to sound shape, whilst pressing keyboard.
Im not getting that from any ios synths really.
Apart from non VA.
Ripplemaker counts as VA maybe.
Apparilo has big UI.
etc.
If you arnt a tweaker and like zeeon.
I guess Sunriser could be best.
Dagger although a patch made is a patch made.
Is a tweaker synth
Unless your are a sound conisour before any other requirement.
Then its up to you.
Hi. I believe Zeeon is what you want. It is polyphonic and has a rather complete feature set. It has a pretty comprehensive modulation matrix. Not sure if the presets use it, so you may need to configure things like aftertouch.
Sunrizer is much older (2011), and follows a particular design model. Dagger is newer (last year), but is only 4-voice polyphonic, and follows a specific design. It has only one envelope, for example.
I vote for Zeeon, having used it quite often.
Zeeon has tons of presets across the spectrum. Dagger is probably the best sounding of all the above but it’s better as mono and duo, and I agree with @sigma79 that it’s a tweaker synth.
Unfortunately, you won't know if you like a synth (even a virtual one) until you actually try working with it. If you have the time and the inclination, buy each one and then whatever you don't like you could try to get a refund, I suppose.
IMO they're too different to choose only one.
Dagger excels at exceptionally characterful, fat, dirty, bold and squeaky (typically monophonic) sounds that you cannot get out of Zeeon.
Sunrizer brings more than "just" the supersaw oscillators, its dual filter has lots of sound shaping options and a "Metalizer" type has been added recently. Sound wise I'd rate it the most flexible, although it won't hit the sweet spots of the other two.
Zeeon is great as a classic go-to analog polysynth, not the least because of its very good filters and sound layering option.
If you really need to stick with one, my obvious answer would be: Go through the presets of each and then decide 😊
Oh, also look up YouTube videos of demos. That always helps to determine if a synth has what you are looking for.
All three of them, and don’t forget combustor
Those three synths are pure gems, and every single one strives in its own segment. @rs2000 explained this very well.
If I were forced to categorize those three, it would be like this:
There is no synth that gives me so much as Sunrizer does.
I’m such a fanboy about anything @giku_beepstreet does, but there’s a reason. The man has such a midas touch
You already like Zeeon.
If you want to learn a synth like the back of your hand and you are only wanting one, I would choose Zeeon.
Dagger is more of a blippy noise, acid house tones etc (it does more but its immediate interface lends to a certain direction).
There’s nothing wrong with sunrizer and it’s a proper poly synth but i feel Zeeon beats it.
Sunrizer is a JP8000 approximation, a synth I once owned and loved but I prefer Zeeons filters, I feel it’s interface is laid out better.
Zeeon sounds like hardware to me. Have often thought about building a dedicated hardware controller for it.
Sunrizer is absolute killer on pad sounds.
I'm going to stick with Zeeon, and keep Dagger in mind if I think I need hefty mono bass sounds later. Probably not.
All your comments really helped. Particularly, I need full polyphonic and didn't know that some synths have limited numbers of voices. I'm trying to avoid owning and managing too many synths and if Zeeon covers most of my needs, I'll make do with any limitations it might have. I already own too many audio apps (who on this Forum doesn't?).
@A_Fox nailed the answer I was looking for: "If you want to learn a synth like the back of your hand and you are only wanting one, I would choose Zeeon."
Thanks,
Steve
Why not all 3. They are all very different, all very good and not that expensive.
Greatest thing about all of them is that their strength lies in the fact that they are very approachable, everything on one screen. Easy to dive into and lots to explore.
Is anyone able to change tempo in Sunrizer as AUv3? Seems to work in standalone but not in AUM or Audiobus. @giku_beepstreet
Most AUv3's are synced to the hosts tempo mostly for practical reasons like transport sync...
...so changing the hosts tempo is one way to change the tempo.
Sorry, didn’t explain properly…Sunrizer stuck on 120bpm but host on different bpm. Although even when I change my project to 120 to match Sunrizer the arpeggiator still sounds out of time…🤷🏼♂️
I've just tried a bunch of hosts (AUM, Cubasis, LogicPro for iPad and Drambo) and the Sunrizer the BPM syncs perfectly in all of them?!
What sample-rate is your AUM project using?
And just to check, have you updated Sunrizer to the latest version? (It was updated ~1 month ago fixing some arpeggio sync issues among other things).
Have just tried it in AUM and Sunrizer picks up the correct tempo.
Apologies, I should have tested in other projects. Think it’s a slightly corrupt project. Deleted the whole channel and set up another one and seems to be working now. I noticed some synths on effects channels and vice versa (shouldn’t be possible, I know) the other day which I sometimes get in AUM, which should’ve been my clue! Sorry
No worries