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AI used to generate songs and bots used to stream them in a $10M scam

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  • NeuMNeuM

    LOL. But what was fraudulent about their activity, exactly? The generated songs were real. The streaming to devices was real... Seems like they cleverly exploited loopholes in an industry which is well known for its corruption.

  • richardyotrichardyot

    @NeuM said:
    LOL. But what was fraudulent about their activity, exactly? The generated songs were real. The streaming to devices was real... Seems like they cleverly exploited loopholes in an industry which is well known for its corruption.

    No-one was actually listening to these songs, the streaming was driven by bots running fake accounts. It was all fraudulent.

  • wimwim

    From a quick read of the article I think if they have anything actionable it'l be centered around fraudulently circumventing the streaming platform policies. I can see that being prosecutable.

    Christie M. Curtis, FBI acting assistant director, said of the indictment, “The defendant’s alleged scheme played upon the integrity of the music industry by a concerted attempt to circumvent the streaming platforms’ policies.

    That and the mention of "money laundering". They probably have a load of dirt there.

    Profiting from AI generated songs isn't illegal, but intentionally violating streaming platforms' policies to do so should be.

  • AlexYAlexY

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:
    LOL. But what was fraudulent about their activity, exactly? The generated songs were real. The streaming to devices was real... Seems like they cleverly exploited loopholes in an industry which is well known for its corruption.

    No-one was actually listening to these songs, the streaming was driven by bots running fake accounts. It was all fraudulent.

    Yeah , the headline is a bit click bait-y.

    That being said I would have almost called this a “genius” idea if they hadn’t gotten caught.

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited September 5

    @AlexY said:

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:
    LOL. But what was fraudulent about their activity, exactly? The generated songs were real. The streaming to devices was real... Seems like they cleverly exploited loopholes in an industry which is well known for its corruption.

    No-one was actually listening to these songs, the streaming was driven by bots running fake accounts. It was all fraudulent.

    Yeah , the headline is a bit click bait-y.

    That being said I would have almost called this a “genius” idea if they hadn’t gotten caught.

    I would never do it, but as far as I can tell they exploited loopholes in the payments system very successfully. Exploiting loopholes isn't illegal.

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited September 5

    Odd article (and yes I only skimmed it). Wonder what these 2017 AI generated tracks sounded like? Whole article is probably a flawed click baity mess. The bot leveraging stuff makes sense but nothing I know of AI generated in 2017 sounded anything other than indecipherable squawks and gurgles. Unless it was just generated midi kafooey.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @AudioGus said:
    Odd article (and yes I only skimmed it). Wonder what these 2017 AI generated tracks sounded like? Whole article is probably a flawed click baity mess. The bot leveraging stuff makes sense but nothing I know of AI generated in 2017 sounded anything other than indecipherable squawks and gurgles. Unless it was just generated midi kafooey.

    Yep.

  • reezyglereezygle

    Edited the title of the thread to be more accurate.

  • wimwim
    edited September 5

    I think the meat of it will be proving that they systematically violated the terms of agreement of the services. Its one thing exploit loopholes in the terms of agreement and another altogether to find ways to violate them without being detected in order to extract revenue.

  • SvetlovskaSvetlovska

    Plot twist: the article is AI generated.

  • wimwim

    😂
    Now if only it turns out to be fake news...

  • Mountain_HamletMountain_Hamlet
    edited September 6

    …

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Svetlovska said:
    Plot twist: the article is AI generated.

    😂

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    Who knows the A.I. bots may prefer A.I. producers tracks.

  • seonnthaproducerseonnthaproducer
    edited September 6

    Hasn't this happened before? Except it was real people using tons of iPhones to repeatedly listen to specific artists?

    Slapping AI on everything is the new generation we're in. Even scams. What's next...Anyone wants AI Underpants? Same Underpants, powered by AI.

  • MrStochasticMrStochastic

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    What's next...Anyone wants AI Underpants? Same Underpants, powered by AI.

    Ha!, the emperor's new ai underpants!

  • NeuMNeuM

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Hasn't this happened before? Except it was real people using tons of iPhones to repeatedly listen to specific artists?

    Slapping AI on everything is the new generation we're in. Even scams. What's next...Anyone wants AI Underpants? Same Underpants, powered by AI.

    Give it another 5-8 years. The scams people will use A.I. for will be massive, possibly even destabilizing for some countries.

  • PapaBPoppinPapaBPoppin
    edited September 6

    @NeuM said:
    LOL. But what was fraudulent about their activity, exactly? The generated songs were real. The streaming to devices was real... Seems like they cleverly exploited loopholes in an industry which is well known for its corruption.

    If you haven't already learned, you have to have a certain number of Zeros at the end of your Life Worth to be ALLOWED (encouraged, even) to use loopholes

    Otherwise you're just shady, trying to game the system

    But if you're already more well off than god himself, exploiting loopholes is considered genius

    (I don't make the rules, just pointing them out)

  • NeuMNeuM

    @PapaBPoppin said:

    @NeuM said:
    LOL. But what was fraudulent about their activity, exactly? The generated songs were real. The streaming to devices was real... Seems like they cleverly exploited loopholes in an industry which is well known for its corruption.

    If you haven't already learned, you have to have a certain number of Zeros at the end of your Life Worth to be ALLOWED (encouraged, even) to use loopholes

    Otherwise you're just shady, trying to game the system

    But if you're already more well off than god himself, exploiting loopholes is considered genius

    (I don't make the rules, just pointing them out)

    As I said, this isn't something I would ever try to do, but as far as it being "illegal"? I don't buy that. These people saw a system weakness and exploited it.

  • PapaBPoppinPapaBPoppin

    @NeuM said:

    @PapaBPoppin said:

    @NeuM said:
    LOL. But what was fraudulent about their activity, exactly? The generated songs were real. The streaming to devices was real... Seems like they cleverly exploited loopholes in an industry which is well known for its corruption.

    If you haven't already learned, you have to have a certain number of Zeros at the end of your Life Worth to be ALLOWED (encouraged, even) to use loopholes

    Otherwise you're just shady, trying to game the system

    But if you're already more well off than god himself, exploiting loopholes is considered genius

    (I don't make the rules, just pointing them out)

    As I said, this isn't something I would ever try to do, but as far as it being "illegal"? I don't buy that. These people saw a system weakness and exploited it.

    Oh I'm sorry with my intent vs wording. I didn't mean that as directed at you (even though I did say "you") I meant that kind of tongue in cheek (but still very real) description of the world in general when it comes to loopholes (but in reference to what you said)

    Though, legality is defined by those who hold the big bucks. Anything word-wise can be twisted to be legal or illegal when it comes to corporate lawyers

    Exploiting the loophole nets you a chunk of cash that should have gone to the service? Oh yeah, that's an illegal loophole. Just gotta follow who is LOSING money on the loophole to determine how legal it actually is

  • SvetlovskaSvetlovska

    Wire fraud is such a convenient offence. Used against the Mob for interstate gambling way back when in the last century, wheeled out for AI scams in this. The gift that keeps on giving.

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