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M Vave Chocolate exp. pedal CubeSuite

MarkRMarkR
in General App Discussion

After perusing the various M Vave threads I'm still at a loss...

I've got the M Vave connected via Bluetooth, got the app open and have selected the expression pedal icon, but am stumped from there. Specifically, I want to use the pedal to control tempo in AUM. I know how to to do MIDI bindings in AUM but I need to configure the pedal correctly in CubeSuite. Could some kind soul help out?

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  • wimwim
    edited September 7

    @MarkR said:
    After perusing the various M Vave threads I'm still at a loss...

    I've got the M Vave connected via Bluetooth, got the app open and have selected the expression pedal icon, but am stumped from there. Specifically, I want to use the pedal to control tempo in AUM. I know how to to do MIDI bindings in AUM but I need to configure the pedal correctly in CubeSuite. Could some kind soul help out?

    Select Custom Control mode from the menu. There you should see the buttons A through C and "The pedal" pick something other than the default midi cc 7 as that defaults to controlling AUM's volume faders. Configure the rest of the buttons also if you like.

    Now midi learn the expression pedal in AUM.

    (choosing a different CC isn't strictly necessary, but if you do use something like 4pockets midi mixer, which expects to use CC7, you might forget that there's a conflict.

  • sigma79sigma79

    Why does aum have volumes ready mapped ( of all parameters )

    ?

  • MarkRMarkR

    @wim said:

    Select Custom Control mode from the menu. There you should see the buttons A through C and "The pedal" pick something other than the default midi cc 7 as that defaults to controlling AUM's volume faders. Configure the rest of the buttons also if you like.

    Now midi learn the expression pedal in AUM.

    (choosing a different CC isn't strictly necessary, but if you do use something like 4pockets midi mixer, which expects to use CC7, you might forget that there's a conflict.

    Thanks wim! I did so but something is not connecting.

    In CubeSuite I chose cc2 (breath control).
    Making sure that AUM sees the bluetooth pedal, I go to MIDI Control/Transport Parameters and select Tempo.
    In the Learn button box, the three selections are currently Off (Channel), CC, and 0 (bank select).

    Any idea what I'm missing? Thanks again!

  • wimwim
    edited September 7

    @MarkR said:

    @wim said:

    Select Custom Control mode from the menu. There you should see the buttons A through C and "The pedal" pick something other than the default midi cc 7 as that defaults to controlling AUM's volume faders. Configure the rest of the buttons also if you like.

    Now midi learn the expression pedal in AUM.

    (choosing a different CC isn't strictly necessary, but if you do use something like 4pockets midi mixer, which expects to use CC7, you might forget that there's a conflict.

    Thanks wim! I did so but something is not connecting.

    In CubeSuite I chose cc2 (breath control).
    Making sure that AUM sees the bluetooth pedal, I go to MIDI Control/Transport Parameters and select Tempo.
    In the Learn button box, the three selections are currently Off (Channel), CC, and 0 (bank select).

    Any idea what I'm missing? Thanks again!

    Did you route the Chocolate to AUM's MIDI Control before turning hitting Learn? Did you tap the Learn button?

  • MarkRMarkR
    edited September 7

    @wim said:

    @MarkR said:

    @wim said:

    Select Custom Control mode from the menu. There you should see the buttons A through C and "The pedal" pick something other than the default midi cc 7 as that defaults to controlling AUM's volume faders. Configure the rest of the buttons also if you like.

    Now midi learn the expression pedal in AUM.

    (choosing a different CC isn't strictly necessary, but if you do use something like 4pockets midi mixer, which expects to use CC7, you might forget that there's a conflict.

    Thanks wim! I did so but something is not connecting.

    In CubeSuite I chose cc2 (breath control).
    Making sure that AUM sees the bluetooth pedal, I go to MIDI Control/Transport Parameters and select Tempo.
    In the Learn button box, the three selections are currently Off (Channel), CC, and 0 (bank select).

    Any idea what I'm missing? Thanks again!

    Did you route the Chocolate to AUM's MIDI Control before turning hitting Learn? Did you tap the Learn button?

    Doh! I knew it was something obvious. lol Yes I knew to tap Learn but had forgotten to route the M Vave!

    It's working now and many thanks for your help. The control is backwards (pushing the pedal toe-down decreases the tempo), but I can live with that.

    (I usually only need to change tempo in small increments. I mainly use my ios rig with a dance group, and sometimes the choreographer will say "Ok let's do that again but a little faster", and I'll have an arp or drum groove running and both hands busy so trying to tap a new tempo into AUM the usual way is not ideal. I'm so happy that I can now do so by foot!)

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @sigma79 said:
    Why does aum have volumes ready mapped ( of all parameters )

    ?

    It uses a standard convention which simplifies things since some controllers are pre-configured to send them.

  • wimwim

    @MarkR said:

    @wim said:

    @MarkR said:

    @wim said:

    Select Custom Control mode from the menu. There you should see the buttons A through C and "The pedal" pick something other than the default midi cc 7 as that defaults to controlling AUM's volume faders. Configure the rest of the buttons also if you like.

    Now midi learn the expression pedal in AUM.

    (choosing a different CC isn't strictly necessary, but if you do use something like 4pockets midi mixer, which expects to use CC7, you might forget that there's a conflict.

    Thanks wim! I did so but something is not connecting.

    In CubeSuite I chose cc2 (breath control).
    Making sure that AUM sees the bluetooth pedal, I go to MIDI Control/Transport Parameters and select Tempo.
    In the Learn button box, the three selections are currently Off (Channel), CC, and 0 (bank select).

    Any idea what I'm missing? Thanks again!

    Did you route the Chocolate to AUM's MIDI Control before turning hitting Learn? Did you tap the Learn button?

    Doh! I knew it was something obvious. lol Yes I knew to tap Learn but had forgotten to route the M Vave!

    It's working now and many thanks for your help. The control is backwards (pushing the pedal toe-down decreases the tempo), but I can live with that.

    (I usually only need to change tempo in small increments. I mainly use my ios rig with a dance group, and sometimes the choreographer will say "Ok let's to that again but a little faster", and I'll have an arp or drum groove running and both hands busy so trying to tap a new tempo into AUM the usual way is not ideal. I'm so happy that I can now do so by foot!)

    In Cubesuite, you probably want to set the pedal to go from 127 (Loose Value) to 0 (Step on Value) rather than the other way around. Weird terms eh?

    In AUM you can narrow the range of tempo change over the travel of the pedal by tapping the 0->100% bubble. There you can set the minimum and maximum tempo to get finer control.

  • sigma79sigma79

    @espiegel123 said:

    @sigma79 said:
    Why does aum have volumes ready mapped ( of all parameters )

    ?

    It uses a standard convention which simplifies things since some controllers are pre-configured to send them.

    Thats what I thought.

    A korg nanokontrol I think were already mapped ( faders from left to right )

    But sometimes would map a paramemter and also blast the volume lol.

    I think apps shouldnt be mapped.

    I think recently. With Swam. There wernt even a setting to just un-map everything but also a bug ( when you got to last 3 of parameters to un-map ) Would crash any of the apps.

    Had to custom overwrite and trying to remember to not crash app with deleting parameters ( Getting to last 3 etc ) For about 20 apps.

    Did message but forgot to check reply. Will check soon.

  • wimwim

    @sigma79 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @sigma79 said:
    Why does aum have volumes ready mapped ( of all parameters )

    ?

    It uses a standard convention which simplifies things since some controllers are pre-configured to send them.

    Thats what I thought.

    A korg nanokontrol I think were already mapped ( faders from left to right )

    But sometimes would map a paramemter and also blast the volume lol.

    I think apps shouldnt be mapped.

    I think recently. With Swam. There wernt even a setting to just un-map everything but also a bug ( when you got to last 3 of parameters to un-map ) Would crash any of the apps.

    Had to custom overwrite and trying to remember to not crash app with deleting parameters ( Getting to last 3 etc ) For about 20 apps.

    Did message but forgot to check reply. Will check soon.

    AUM warns you when you have AUv3 parameters mapped to more than one thing. That wouldn't help if the target was an app's internal midi control though.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @sigma79 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @sigma79 said:
    Why does aum have volumes ready mapped ( of all parameters )

    ?

    It uses a standard convention which simplifies things since some controllers are pre-configured to send them.

    Thats what I thought.

    A korg nanokontrol I think were already mapped ( faders from left to right )

    But sometimes would map a paramemter and also blast the volume lol.

    I think apps shouldnt be mapped.

    I think recently. With Swam. There wernt even a setting to just un-map everything but also a bug ( when you got to last 3 of parameters to un-map ) Would crash any of the apps.

    Had to custom overwrite and trying to remember to not crash app with deleting parameters ( Getting to last 3 etc ) For about 20 apps.

    Did message but forgot to check reply. Will check soon.

    You are free to choose a different cc if you want in AUM. You don’t have to use its default

  • sigma79sigma79

    It dosent make sense though.

    So a few controllers might be used for volume but can also be re-mapped themselves to not be volumes. Plus all the controllers that arnt already mapped volumes. Then the choice of being the only parameters allocated a cc ( bound to clash with nearly every persons other mappings )

    The channel volumes.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @sigma79 said:
    It dosent make sense though.

    So a few controllers might be used for volume but can also be re-mapped themselves to not be volumes. Plus all the controllers that arnt already mapped volumes. Then the choice of being the only parameters allocated a cc ( bound to clash with nearly every persons other mappings )

    The channel volumes.

    ?

    If you don’t want AUM’s default cc assignment, you can assign anything you want.

  • sigma79sigma79

    @espiegel123 said:

    @sigma79 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @sigma79 said:
    Why does aum have volumes ready mapped ( of all parameters )

    ?

    It uses a standard convention which simplifies things since some controllers are pre-configured to send them.

    Thats what I thought.

    A korg nanokontrol I think were already mapped ( faders from left to right )

    But sometimes would map a paramemter and also blast the volume lol.

    I think apps shouldnt be mapped.

    I think recently. With Swam. There wernt even a setting to just un-map everything but also a bug ( when you got to last 3 of parameters to un-map ) Would crash any of the apps.

    Had to custom overwrite and trying to remember to not crash app with deleting parameters ( Getting to last 3 etc ) For about 20 apps.

    Did message but forgot to check reply. Will check soon.

    You are free to choose a different cc if you want in AUM. You don’t have to use its default

    Of course and it will warn if mapping conflicts.

    Its just I have mapped a cc. Tweaked parameter and blasted channel volume.

    I dont understand why only volumes are given a cc. When the person with perhaps the minority controller. Will maybe have to map cc anyway or maybe even choose the faders on controller not be for volumes.

    I just cant see but dont have statistics. That many people will have the controller and or just use the given channel volumes cc numbers

  • sigma79sigma79

    @espiegel123 said:

    @sigma79 said:
    It dosent make sense though.

    So a few controllers might be used for volume but can also be re-mapped themselves to not be volumes. Plus all the controllers that arnt already mapped volumes. Then the choice of being the only parameters allocated a cc ( bound to clash with nearly every persons other mappings )

    The channel volumes.

    ?

    If you don’t want AUM’s default cc assignment, you can assign anything you want.

    The channel volumes have a cc.
    You can be mapping loads of cc and notice conflicts or decide their to be conflicts in your mapping.

    You wouldnt decide to conflict map a parameter, along with channel volume.

    Which has happened, by mistake.

    Just dont see the point from a health and safety perspective.

    Just for probably a minority controller.

  • wimwim
    edited September 7

    Clearly we need government regulation over this. Legislation is no-doubt being drafted in the EU already. Things move slower here in the US. Sadly all I can do is write my Congress person. #FreeOurCCsNow!

  • sigma79sigma79

    @wim said:
    Clearly we need government intervention on this one. Legislation is no-doubt being drafted in the EU as we speak. Things move slower here in the US. Sadly all I can do is write my Congress person. #FreeOurCCsNow!

    They will just plead the 5th. Which is using AUM. So they never heard you.

  • MarkRMarkR
    edited September 7

    @wim said:

    In Cubesuite, you probably want to set the pedal to go from 127 (Loose Value) to 0 (Step on Value) rather than the other way around. Weird terms eh?

    Excellent, thanks for this. (And yes, weird non-intuitive terms indeed.)

    I also remembered that my pedal (M Audio EX-P) has a dial control, and so I tested and yes that can be used to limit the sweep range.

    In AUM you can narrow the range of tempo change over the travel of the pedal by tapping the 0->100% bubble. There you can set the minimum and maximum tempo to get finer control.

    Oh my, that's even better, and I should've noticed that! I've now set the pedal back to full sweep and set the range in AUM and it's perfect. Thanks again! :)

  • wimwim

    I'm glad it's working @MarkR. 👍🏼
    Turns out I have the same expression pedal as you. I had forgotten about the range dial myself and couldn't figure out why I could only get AUM to change by a few bpm. 😂

  • MarkRMarkR

    @wim said:
    I'm glad it's working @MarkR. 👍🏼
    Turns out I have the same expression pedal as you. I had forgotten about the range dial myself and couldn't figure out why I could only get AUM to change by a few bpm. 😂

    Regarding that pedal, there's a website that shows how to mod it. One is to add a jack to replace the fixed cable, and the other is to deal with the "plastic collar on the pot shaft", as apparently it doesn't always last very long. But for some reason the guy's site seems to be offline right now...

    http://blackaddr.com/expression-pedal-repair-and-mod/

    There's a post from him about the fixes here: https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/how-to-mod-repair-expression-pedal-and-gig-reliability.1804969/

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