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Will Logic ever get proper midi support?
Do you think Logic Pro for iPad will ever get proper midi support? (Assign, learn, etc.)
I happen to love Logic, but this is the main thing holding it back imo. We don't even have simple transport controls or the ability to switch tracks. Seems really strange that they still haven't added this basic functionality by now...
I also love the Live Loops and the ability to easily setup multiple scenes is amazing...but using the touch controls to launch/record is just so much more clunky than using a midi controller and not reliable for live loop performances and even simple recording doesn't feel smooth to me. I always gravitate back to my desktop setup and Ableton for this purpose because it's a breeze with Launchpad/Launchkey hardware.
I like editing/mastering in Logic, but that's about the extent of my use for it due to the lacking midi support, and this is a major bummer because I would use it for everything if I could.
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I agree, however the game changer for me was using a normal wireless qwerty keyboard and mouse. There are many keyboard shortcuts available, including transport controls etc
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/logicpro-ipad/lpip32bdea6b/ipados
Of course Logic Pro for iPad will be improved in every single part of the app...
Apple will certainly give us the whole shebangs when we least expect it...
Considering that LogicPro for iPad is built mostly with SwiftUI and the iPadOS18 update (drops tomorrow 16th) includes quite a lot of SwiftUI related news, fixes and improvements LogicPro for iPad needs to be recompiled to fully reap all the benefits of the iPadOS update so I would NOT be surprised if we seen an update pop up in a near future.
This is again just guessing as no one outside Apple really knows when the next update will drop...
You can assign and learn controllers using the midi script plugin, and it would definitely benefit from controller support like the Mac version has. I have an Arturia keyboard connected to my office Mac and it's nice being able to control stuff with the faders, transport keys etc (although I must admit I'm almost always faster with the mouse having used it for so long). Years ago I lusted after a Mackie Control. I'm slightly obsessed with flying faders even though I've never owned a controller that has them lol.
The code is all there, so it's clearly a priority thing. Apple don't need the iPad version to have 100% of the Mac version's features and they will need time to implement the lowest hanging fruit as it is. Who knows how high up the list controller support is?
However, fro me personally, I only ever use my iPad completely stand alone. When I want controllers and stuff like that I much prefer a desktop setup. I can’t remember the last time I even used my iPad with an audio/midi interface. If I’m not holding it and using the touch screen for what it's best at, I prefer everything about using Logic on a Mac, mainly because I've been using Logic on a Mac since the very beginning so I'm very biased.
I like the iPad to be completely different and encourage different ways of making music. Things like Sample Alchemy are so much more fun on the iPad.
Apple is a creature of habit. They like to stick to patterns, although obviously things can change. And Logic for iPad gets an update every 6 months.
Based on that, I'd expect major releases in May and updates in November. So yeah. November is my ever-so-slightly-informed guess.
Logic for the Mac was much less predictable before, but is obviously now tied to iPad releases for compatibility reasons.
“@bluegroove Do you think Logic Pro for iPad will ever get proper midi support? (Assign, learn, etc.)”
I just re-installed Logic Pro for iPad on Friday, yes, Friday the 13th. Lol
After seeing your message I did a search in the User Guide on “MIDI CC”.
True, there’s no Global Learn like the L in Logic Pro for Mac, but you can assign your expression pedal to the built-in Wah-Wah and MIDI Learn appears buried in the individual parameters in LP’s instruments and fx. The User Guide specifically mentions MIDI Learn for the drums (external pads).
So, not obvious, but according to the manual, it’s there.
What I found seems to be on equal footing with Cubasis current MIDI support.
If your 3rd party plugins contain MIDI Learn, then I would expect those to work in LP just like they do in Cubasis.
Like I said, I just re-installed LP for iPad, so I have not tested all this out, yet.
I’m going purely by the User Guide and the 5 search results from “MIDI CC” found in the PDF version of the User Guide.
John
I made a script that lets you assign midi cc etc to any plugin parameter in the track chain.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/56050/logic-pro-how-to-use-a-midi-controller-to-control-your-plug-ins-lots-more-with-midi-scripter/p1
Details in the thread.
It’s not a substitute for proper midi control but it’s useful in its own right — I actually use it in Logic Pro for Mac as it’s useful to setup a controller to control multiple plugins from one controller.
Thanks! I’ll check it out.
Thanks everyone for the replies!
@Johne1
@klownshed thanks for the heads up and for making that script! I think I'll certainly get some use out of it.
The main things I'd like to control are the transport, but also triggering live loop cells (and scenes) and recording into them as well. From what I can tell, that's outside the scope of the script, eh?
Looks like it will definitely come in handy for plugin controls. Thank you!
No the script can’t control the transport. It can only control thing in the same track. One advantage of this is you can have a completely different assignment automatically work when you select each track.
Say you have one track where you use a fader to simultaneously control filter cutoff and say reverb mix on one track then switch to another track and the same fader controls something different instantly. And you can save presets of preconfigured assignments or even full channel strips with faders assigned across multiple plugins.
I don't have Logic, but I wonder if you sent the midi out to bounce off of Streambyter standalone if it would be recognized by the transport controls.
Here’s an update for you from a similar question in the Apple Community and I did some more digging, so I’ll share with you my response there.
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Do a search in the User Guide on ‘MIDI CC’ (no quotes) and you’ll find the following section of info: “Assign a MIDI event to a plug-in parameter”.
For additional MIDI mapping info, do a search in the User Guide on ‘Learn MIDI’, in that order.
NOTE: A search on ‘MIDI Learn’ comes up empty.
I’m just getting back into LP myself, so that’s all the info I can offer, at this time.
Hope that helps!
John
There are keyboard shortcuts available. Apple choosing not to implement standard midi support is most likely their way of squeezing the last bit of profit out of their Magic Keyboards:) I already had one so I purchased this keybaord overlay designed specifically for LP4i: https://www.editorskeys.com/products/logic-pro-ipad-magic-keyboard-covers