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Can I use Patterning 3 to..
send Midi CCs on cosen steps.. to Synths? Im thinking to using it to make AuV3`s Synths to drum machines, making bass high hats etc. and I would like to be able to tweak CC values on each step in Patterning to the Synth.. , Cutoff Envelopes etc. the usual suspects.
As opposed to using samples and doing everything inside Patterning, will it lend it`sliders or Steps to sending CC to a synth, instead of handeling internal Samples?
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Patterning send out midi, but only note values. You’ll have to use a separate utility (AU) to convert notes to Control Change (CC) messages that your synths cutoff etc will understand. MFX Convert is ONE such utility that is direct about this, however using a general midi utility such as BramBros Mozaic will also work. Venture to Patchstorage (org) to find a suitable script that will do so. Drambo is I’m sure can also do this conversion.
I've been doing this in Ableton and actually have a huge machinedrum inspired drum rack that uses the stock synths and zebra to make drums via macros controlling the synth parameters with a limited range.
I've been looking around for a way to do this on ipad for quite some time now, haven't found much. Also hoping for some suggestions for an AUv3 that can send out multiple cc with definable ranges from a single knob.
Can loopy pro do this? Or is it limited to one CC per slider?
Sorry double post
@DiscoBiscuitChef
Look for a standalone app called Knobs. BUT you can do this manually but using one CC to control an arbitrary number of CC values by linking them together. AUM can by itself limit the range of CC values natively, but you might want to look into Mozaic scripts on Patchstorage as well.
Actually, Patterning 3 can send CC's per step.
It's in the Layers tab of the pattern. Press + to add a layer, then scroll down to pick the CC. You can add as many CC layers as you want.
Thanks for the tips. Are any of the apps you mentioned available as AuV3? I'd need to host them in Logic.
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Sorry gots the name wrong KNOB LAB. It’s standalone but you can use it in slide over mode. Mozaic is AU. AUM is a host.
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Sure enough in the layers tab.
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@wim
Probably makes up for your lack of spelling skills… 😉
I'll check out mozaic, thank you
Edit: can I use it to make a controller without coding via visual interface? I'd rather not have to learn it's code unless there's no other option
Thanx my dudes.
Been a while, concerned if Ive grown Dim in the MIDI mapping department.
If I want to gradualy tweak a knob, like open close a filter between 20 points of value would patterning only be able to send single messages like «Now its turned to 100»
«Now its turned to 127»?
I saw an youtube on Patterning with these sliders where they had a cymbal vary in pitch during the loop, It looked gradual.. I take it these horizontal sliders only work with internal samples? Or?
Can I subdivide the Patterning Wheel to make less pronounced changes? What do you think? will I be allright tweaking synthknobs like that? Drum sounds are fairly static but I wanna them alive, you think that will be good?
Nice that ur handsome Wim. Donno if I´ve noticed spelling though.
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You can subdivide a pattern into very, very small steps. Beyond a certain number patterning divides the editing up into "pages". So I suppose you can do some smoothing that way, but it's maybe not the best way to go. You might be better off with something that you can draw the automation into, perhaps something like Drambo's sequencer.
Or, you might be able to send the midi through something that smooths the transitions. There is at least one Mozaic script that can do this. Drambo and miRack have slew limiter modules as well but would require a bit of patching together.
I think I might get 80% of the way with Patterning
A question off the bat,
-Can Patterning «keep note on» between steps?
So keeps 2/16´s as «one Bleep», instead of Two 1/16 «Blops»?
Also,
Is it an App that records twists of knobs on/from the synth itself?
It would listen to CC on the Synths I guess(?), If Synths loaded in AUM may send thiese, or be listened to. Would be cool if ATOM 2 could
@_smund - that's not easy to answer simply.
Most synths don't send out CC's from their knobs. So recording from them that way is generally not going to work except in rare cases. (Animoog Z is one that can.)
Some hosts such as Cubasis can record knob movements, but it's done through AUv3 parameters, not midi. So, the recording happens in the host only and the automation isn't transferrable to another host. Nothing can record that kind of automation other than the host, so a separate plugin is no help. Unfortunately AUM doesn't record automation, so you're out of luck there.
If you go about it another way, by moving the knobs in synths using CC's sent to them, then you can record those CC values in another app such as Atom 2. Then Atom 2 can play back (but not edit) those CC's. Basically, you would send CC's from an app such as Surface builder, through Atom 2, to the synth or AUM's midi control system. Then you would play back those CC streams from Atom 2.
I hope that makes sense. If not, please ask.
Dude that makes sense.
I would build a control surface for the usual suspects Filter, Resonance etc in LOOPY or Surface builder (Is that handy, screen realastate, and CPU wise?) and record knob twists in ATOM
I don't think either Loopy Pro or Surface builder are heavy CPU wise when used just for midi control. My preference is Loopy Pro. ymmv.
You might want to consider Midi Tape Recorder for your midi recording. I'm not so sure how accurate Atom 2 is for that. Midi Tape Recorder is extremely accurate, being designed to handle Animoog Z's super particular midi output.
You also may need to deal with lack of smoothness with midi automation. You only have 128 steps in the full range of any CC. That can lead to steeliness unless the target synth does smoothing. 14-bit midi would address that, but AUM can't use it and neither can most synths. Surface Builder can send 14 bit midi if you do find a way to use it.
That´s a Win (:
not sure if you found it or not... but the MIDI CC layers only show up if the track has MIDI enabled
Thanks @benkamen. Love this app.
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Try setting the MIDI gate length to be greater than 100%. IIRC it will combine midi notes and only send the note off at the end of the last note. It's been a while since I looked at that part of the code....