Urgent need: convert MIDI note vel=0 into NOTEOFF

MonkeyDrummer

I just purchased a Yamaha DTX MultiPad.
I also just discovered that Yamaha made the horrible decision to not send normal noteoffs, but to send VEL=0. Ugh!!!! Totally breaks my setup and causes hung notes.

I've done some digging but I'm not finding what I'm looking for.

I need a midi utility that will just convert incoming VEL=0 into NOTE off messages.

Is there anything prebuilt people know of?

Can I beg someone to ship up a MOZAIC script to do this please?

Help?

espiegel123

@MonkeyDrummer said:
I just purchased a Yamaha DTX MultiPad.
I also just discovered that Yamaha made the horrible decision to not send normal noteoffs, but to send VEL=0. Ugh!!!! Totally breaks my setup and causes hung notes.

I've done some digging but I'm not finding what I'm looking for.

I need a midi utility that will just convert incoming VEL=0 into NOTE off messages.

Is there anything prebuilt people know of?

Can I beg someone to ship up a MOZAIC script to do this please?

Help?

Mozaic and streambyter can do it. In streambyter it is a one line script. It shouldn't be necessary though as a note on with velocity = 0 is a perfectly legitimate note off message that is part of the midi standard. Any MIDI app that doesn't treat it as a note off is buggy.

What is the context where it is a problem?

MonkeyDrummer

@espiegel123 said:

@MonkeyDrummer said:
I just purchased a Yamaha DTX MultiPad.
I also just discovered that Yamaha made the horrible decision to not send normal noteoffs, but to send VEL=0. Ugh!!!! Totally breaks my setup and causes hung notes.

I've done some digging but I'm not finding what I'm looking for.

I need a midi utility that will just convert incoming VEL=0 into NOTE off messages.

Is there anything prebuilt people know of?

Can I beg someone to ship up a MOZAIC script to do this please?

Help?

Mozaic and streambyter can do it. In streambyter it is a one line script. It shouldn't be necessary though as a note on with velocity = 0 is a perfectly legitimate note off message that is part of the midi standard. Any MIDI app that doesn't treat it as a note off is buggy.

What is the context where it is a problem?

I understand that it's "legal", the problem is it doesn't work with my setup. specfically downstream midi processors (i.e. Intheory) choke on the VEL=0 zero convention.

I have streambyter... Can you give me the one line please?

Thanks!

wim

Streambyter is the simplest. The single line of code needed is

9X XX 00 = 8X XX 00

espiegel123

@MonkeyDrummer said:

@espiegel123 said:

@MonkeyDrummer said:
I just purchased a Yamaha DTX MultiPad.
I also just discovered that Yamaha made the horrible decision to not send normal noteoffs, but to send VEL=0. Ugh!!!! Totally breaks my setup and causes hung notes.

I've done some digging but I'm not finding what I'm looking for.

I need a midi utility that will just convert incoming VEL=0 into NOTE off messages.

Is there anything prebuilt people know of?

Can I beg someone to ship up a MOZAIC script to do this please?

Help?

Mozaic and streambyter can do it. In streambyter it is a one line script. It shouldn't be necessary though as a note on with velocity = 0 is a perfectly legitimate note off message that is part of the midi standard. Any MIDI app that doesn't treat it as a note off is buggy.

What is the context where it is a problem?

I understand that it's "legal", the problem is it doesn't work with my setup. specfically downstream midi processors (i.e. Intheory) choke on the VEL=0 zero convention.

I have streambyter... Can you give me the one line please?

Thanks!

Out of curiosity, what midi processor is choking on it?

wim

Mozaic:

@OnMidiInput
   SendMIDIThru   // Automatically converts Note-On zero velocity to Note-Off
@End

@OnSysex
   SendSysexThru
@End

MonkeyDrummer

Thanks guys…

So I figured out the issue was not noteoffs, even though it was a change from the way my Roland pads work, but it was because the pads were set to polyphonic and causing InTheory to hang notes…

FlowingRobes

Hi,
Op are you sure you don't have the pads in latch mode? Where first hit starts the sound/loop, and the second hit sends the note off?
If its new select,for ex, PercMaster preset. I think that's what its called....I've been using user kits for awhile.

McD

@wim said:
Mozaic:
```
@OnMidiInput
SendMIDIThru // Automatically converts Note-On zero velocity to Note-Off
@End

A nice feature from @brambos. I wonder if this is documented in the manual.

@OnSysex
SendSysexThru
@End
```

Now I wouldn’t have thought to plug this hole and insure Sysex blocks don’t get dropped.

wim

@McD said:

@wim said:
Mozaic:
```
@OnMidiInput
SendMIDIThru // Automatically converts Note-On zero velocity to Note-Off
@End

A nice feature from @brambos. I wonder if this is documented in the manual.

It's noted on page 32. Easy to overlook though.

Note that incoming MIDI notes with a velocity of 0 are automatically converted to NoteOff messages for you. You don’t need to handle these in your script as your script will never get to see them.

@OnSysex
SendSysexThru
@End
```

Now I wouldn’t have thought to plug this hole and insure Sysex blocks don’t get dropped.

I always do that since Mozaic's policy of only allowing anything through that you specifically allow has caught me out once or twice when I forget.

Streambyter is the opposite. It allows everything through unless you block it.
Interestingly, Streambyter also converts Note-ON zero velocity to Note-Off, but only if you act on the note in some way in a script. I thought that its policy would convert with no code at all, but that didn't work.

(Sorry for the off topic ramble @MonkeyDrummer.)