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5 years ago on ABF
I stumbled on this and found it interesting. 5 yrs ago Logic Pro on iOS was a dream and we didn’t have $140 piano apps. Also interesting, the folks who left and those still around.
Have our thoughts about iOS evolved?
https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/34481/are-ios-music-users-becoming-spoilt-brats/p3
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Well, I'm not a Logic user and I don't care for subscriptions, but I'm not looking rehash all that.
Generally speaking, app prices have gone up, while desktop software continues to come down. So, the iOS/iPadOS platform is not quite the bargain it once was, but it's still amazing value.
My biggest gripe is the ridiculous cost of storage on Apple devices.
I gladly pay the $5 for Logic Pro per month and yes it’s a whole new ballgame .. Major update forthcoming .
IOS delivered with much more powerful hardware and new apps that pushed that hardware hard.
It’s a very viable platform for media production than the tightly controlled walled garden of the 2010 decade.
At the end of the day the weakest link turns out to be the creatives and a lack of good habits… speaking for myself but expecting a few heads will nod.
I miss the roll out of new apps all under $10 that dropped with $100-200 per month for the truly addicted. I’m really ashamed of the money that went out for such a poor return because this music won’t invent itself! (what? There are apps for that too. Catch up.)
For most iOS users it wasn’t really a downgrade, it is the future but the technology doesn’t yet meet our required specifications.
I don’t really believe iOS should compete with desktops they should compliment them, each with it’s own strengths and weaknesses reaching a natural balance within a modular connected system.
Hard agree. Ipad9th, keystep, DT770's :-)
Yah, just saying I wasn't one of the head nodders. But sure, looking forward to the super scifi bluetooth spec upgrade.
Absolutely agree, it was not about competing with desktop for me at all. (Overall, I would love more full screen touch surface oriented apps and fewer AUV3) The strength of iOS, particularly the iPad, was that I could comfortably walk around with it and make music while moving about, unlike desktop. It was a mobile music machine, but removing the headphone jack actually makes it more like a laptop, merely portable.
Yah even though I have an M1 I have been tempted to get a 9 for the jack, but knowing the end is inevitably nigh for the jack one day, (and now being addicted to USBC) I just didn't want to prolong the inevitable. Although who knows, maybe by the time the vintage jack supply runs out, the new super future low BT spec rolls into the station and I would have deprived myself for naught. But yah, maybe would have been better off getting the base instead of the pro, although I have seemingly literally burned through base models at a record rate. The batteries just fry so fast for me and the mrs. Guess we run em hot.
I would rather have a headphone port built in but this thing has treated me well and lets me do a line-in and mic-in. The mic-in is very weak but the line in and headphone port on the go is very nice. can even use the headphone out to run the iPad into my portable sampler to create samples in the park so that’s been great
I liked to walk with both hands holding either side of the ipad, often shifting the ipad to resting on my left forearm. I have't seen a USBC dongle yet that doesn't look like it would just incur port damage from this.
Listen old man!!! You are going to have to change your ways 😆🤣 jk I’m old man myself. I feel you, i actually bring my old ipad pro with the port out sometimes when im having a day like that.
But i usually bring mine to the park with me and i travel with a portable camp table and chair and some other gear so mines always laying on a table these days. I still wish the new ones had the port but I’ve decided to just do my best with this bad choice
Ack, you're right! Yes, I will likely Move on... eventually, heh. But yah, Ableton Move is looking like a possible contender. Would have to maybe make a nice velcro left forearm rig and lift a little more weights to get in shape for it though.
If I could find something like this that delivered to my location and had better than a single two star rating I may try it. Depending on build quality it could still stress out the USB C port though...
https://www.amazon.com/Protective-Docking-Station-Headphone-Accessories/dp/B0CLDRY3RH
But yah, olde man gotta move on. I will say that BM3 is running very well on the M1 now so I can just easily pull out the ipad at my desk on work breaks for some fun.
Overall though compared to five years ago I don't see too much advancement in the right direction for me. Just feels like the 'lets make it more like desktop' crowd has won out, which is a bit odd. More fullscreen touch apps like TC-11, Borderlands or iKaossilator seemed like the obvious path things would go early on but I guess they may be more work than they are worth given the market. Maybe the new Jim Audio will have juicy pre-rigged X/Y pads etc that leverage touch well.
Oh wow that’s a full docking station! I haven’t seen one of those in ages,
I keep my iPad in this case, and i keep it propped up, keyboard taken off usually, which helps with wear n tear on the usb c port since its up and stationary.
I feel like the usb c port can take a beating tho, my older lightning iPad got abused really hard and still functions like new.
You’ll should be fine with a dongle, the dongle will most likey break well before the iPad port ever does.
I honestly have been moving towards hardware synths over the past few years. I mostly use my iPad with a 6 channel mixer, everything going into AUM just to use the iPad as an audio effects processor for my few hardware synths.
I just struggle to build songs in the iPad. Or any kind of DAW. The iPad synths that i do use, i sample my sequences or notes into a sampler like koala or the sp 404 mk2 to arrange. I can’t build out full songs very well with parts in a daw sequencer. Its too much programming for my old school brain. Is rather arrange the parts as samples, it makes so much more sense to me.
In the iPad i can come up with cool sequences then I’m just stuck! But sampling them and then arranging them as “pads” clicks with my simple mind 🤣
iPad is basically just MIDI and audio effects to me , and the iOS synths i turn into samples.
That’s why i agree with you on the older apps seeing more powerful and original. I don’t need them all arranged in a daw to build a song.
I just want cool instruments i can sample! I miss the older iOS apps! And still use the ones that work frequently
Yah that is pretty similar for me in ways and why after all these years BM3 is still my go to. Great for hosting anything and sampling to pads for super quick basic arranging for export. I used to spend (heh, waste?) time in BM3 making more elaborate things (mainly because I had time to kill on the commute) but these days it is just to make quick springboards for Maschine, another pad based groovebox. I get things to about 75% in Maschine then it is off to Samplitude for quick fx jams and coarse rearranging. Used to painstakingly build up tracks in Samplitude using small bits that slowly grew together, but BM3 showed me how fun and expressive an MPC like flow can be so it actually motivated me to get Maschine.
I leave this thing attached to my good headphones and it's perfect. Can charge and listen at the same time, tiny, works on my iPad and iphone. No regrets.
https://a.co/d/6FS6j1T
I buy some synth or FX apps now and then, but I also find apps on my iPad/iPhone that I forgot I bought and never used. So those are like new apps to me!
My workflow is the same as 5 years ago. I can’t complain.
Bad sign @LinearLineman you’re digging into the archives!
Too much time on your hands?