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Audiokit plug update breaks existing projects in Logic Pro

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  • The frustration is legitimate, but the personal attacks are out of proportion.

    VHS Synth is my favorite AudioKit app, and I’m a little worried that it will get abandoned. I’m glad it gets to live for at least a little while longer: thank you, Matt, for negotiating that hand-off. (From one teacher to another.)

  • @musikeer said:
    It's not a matter of whining; it's a matter of the usual problem: sometimes when developers update apps, they fail to take into account the actual consistent naming of them, so any project in Cubasis etc., that uses them, loses the preset specification. Which then screws up the entire project. This matters to those of us who are actually releasing material commercially, deadlines etc. (and others I assume as well, whatever/wherever the project is destined). Synthmaster apps had that problem, which was immediately fixed/remedied. Others, not so much. Like never. One of the worst symptoms of the iOS music app platform.

    This is a common issue with developers who build things for fun and sell them at dirt-cheap prices. Sometimes they forget that people actually rely on their products for real work. When someone buys an app, they’re investing not just their money but also their time into it. Personally, I’d rather PayPal the developer an extra $6 to get the issue resolved than request a refund because I value my time and my projects more than the few dollars I originally paid.

  • wimwim
    edited November 19

    @Mr_Fox said:
    ... Sometimes they forget that people actually rely on their products for real work.

    I don't know that you can assume that in this case. Sometimes people are aware that issues will have negative effects but circumstances don't allow doing anything about it. This sounds like one of those cases to me. Matt explained how this went down. Some will take it as offering excuses, some will take it as a regrettable situation that wasn't practical to resolve. I know where I fall on this one but don't begrudge anyone respectfully disagreeing.

  • @wim I’m sure Matt did everything he could in this case, and I am grateful for everything he has done. I’m mostly just venting about some of the problems I see in the iOS space in general.

  • @Mr_Fox said:
    @wim I’m sure Matt did everything he could in this case, and I am grateful for everything he has done. I’m mostly just venting about some of the problems I see in the iOS space in general.

    yeh, it can be frustrating.

    Ironically, loving solving problems by nature, and not being at all emotionally invested in my blah music other than to goof around, it's mostly all fun and games for me. I can totally realize why more serious creative types than I am get bugged by it all.

  • It is the nature/downside of the walled-in iOS platform. If it were a VST - you download it and that's the end of it (if you like).
    The upside for me is being able to try so many different creative apps for a low price.
    I feel sorry for the users who have had their projects messed up like that, though. That is really rough!

    If that were to happen to some of my favorite synths and effects apps, I think I might cry. (Trooper, Zeeon, Other Desert Cities, Modnetic, etc.) It would be too much to go back and recreate all of those presets - I'd have to redo so many projects.

  • OK so moving forward - is there any way without jailbreaking your iPad to rollback to the previous version of VHS Synth? I literally just want to rollback to v1.0.6 and save over 10 tracks I created with this synth.

  • @Thelast27 said:
    OK so moving forward - is there any way without jailbreaking your iPad to rollback to the previous version of VHS Synth? I literally just want to rollback to v1.0.6 and save over 10 tracks I created with this synth.

    Short of restoring from an iMazing app backup made before the change? Unfortunately not.

  • There might be a very slim chance that iMazing could still download the old app. I don’t think so, but it might be worth a try.

  • @wim said:
    There might be a very slim chance that iMazing could still download the old app. I don’t think so, but it might be worth a try.

    No luck - can't even find a previous 1.0.6 ipa anywhere neither

  • what if we kept & shared a repository of previous app versions (ie. imazing version backups). Could that allow all users to access old historical versions of apps?

    • I have never used imazing, so not sure if this is possible. Although possibly impractical (?), this would allow rollbacks to everyone.
  • edited November 19

    Wouldn’t be allowed as the ipa file itself would have been bought by someone. There would be a copyright issue sharing these files.

  • @mysterycat said:
    what if we kept & shared a repository of previous app versions (ie. imazing version backups). Could that allow all users to access old historical versions of apps?

    • I have never used imazing, so not sure if this is possible. Although possibly impractical (?), this would allow rollbacks to everyone.

    App backups are tied to the Apple ID they were purchased under. You can't restore an app purchased under another ID. Apple's got that one sewn up tight.

  • yeah, just realised it'd be totally illegal..
    just woke up.. haven't had coffee.. please carry on.. 🤣

  • @mysterycat said:
    yeah, just realised it'd be totally illegal..
    just woke up.. haven't had coffee.. please carry on.. 🤣

    also impossible. 😉

  • Probably the project files could be edited to accommodate this ID change - though that can’t be an official solution.

  • edited November 19

    How do you replace the app when you load an AUM project and all you see is the red X, with no indication of what went missing?

    This has happened a lot with FX recently, too.

  • @garden said:
    How do you replace the app when you load an AUM project and all you see is the red X, with no indication of what went missing?

    I don't think there's a way to know which FX it was.

    This has happened a lot with FX recently, too.

    That shouldn't be happening. There have only been a very few apps that have had an ID change problem like this. Maybe two or three over the past five years. Have you tried rebooting your device?

  • @garden said:
    How do you replace the app when you load an AUM project and all you see is the red X, with no indication of what went missing?

    I think if you tap the red node it’ll tell you which plugin isn’t installed. “Think” because I’m going from memory.

    This has happened a lot with FX recently, too.

    I think this is down mostly to Apple. Because the rules for validating plugins in Logic on the Mac are more picky, and have forced some devs to change their developer IDs (not sure if that’s the right term). This is definitely what happened to Erik Sigth (Humbletune): he had an all lowercase name and Logic insists on at least one upper case letter, so he had to change humbletune to Humbletune which was enough to break things.

  • Have the apps changed hands again from spacemushrooms to Audiobus pty ltd?

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