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An argument with Arguments: The Persistence Of Memory

I never expected to miss you…

…but I do.

Checked myself on the Death Clock app recently, https://www.death-clock.org/ something I like to do once in a while. Updated it with my accurate med stats and current conditions. Just a bit of fun, like.

It has me dead in two years from now, give or take. Cause of death: dementia. The date I take with a pinch of salt. Que sera sera, etc. The cause gives me pause.

Losing my… self, in pieces, is truly my greatest fear, one which in the event of receiving such a diagnosis of, I would give serious consideration to pre empting while I was still ‘I’. Hey Ho. You gotta laugh, right? ;) Hence, some solipsism in sound.

Basically, Hainbach’s Arguments is all over this live AUM File Player jam, from the ‘drum’ sound, to the vocal processing of my voice, to the f*ed up treatment of the Steel Guitar Pro and and Ring Fx which provide the, er, ‘melody’ and bassline, such as they are. More an exercise in sound processing than a (cough) ‘song’, really… Still more for me to do integrating it adequately into the hauntology, I think, but as a first go… eh, it is what it is! :)

Comments

  • This is a great!!! Really haunting and maybe even a bit reminiscent of some 70s BBC supernatural drama.

  • Thank you! 70s BBC supernatural dramas - things like Penda’s Fen, or Robin Redbreast - are both major obsessions of mine, and foundation stones for the whole hauntology thing which is one of my aspirations/inspirations. I keep worrying at the edges of static, LoFi, Boards of Canada, wobbliness, with my limited artistic toolbox. My dream would be to have the talent to carve out the precise Venn diagram where folk horror, dark ambient and hauntology overlap. Rumble of ancient times, indeed. :)

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    They were very interesting times! Low budget, but dark and thought provoking with an incredibly British feel. I am a bit young for being able to watch them when they were on, but I have been trying to make up, and I do have very fond memories of chocky, box of delights, the triffids, the stone tapes and of course the most famous, tales of the unexpected! So not that young I guess. I feel that everything kind of stopped after Ghostwatch in 92. I don’t know if viewers tastes changed, or it became too expensive or what, but there was a good 20 years when it felt like auntie beeb was consciously trying to make us shit our pants!

  • @sevenape said:
    They were very interesting times! Low budget, but dark and thought provoking with an incredibly British feel. I am a bit young for being able to watch them when they were on, but I have been trying to make up, and I do have very fond memories of chocky, box of delights, the triffids, the stone tapes and of course the most famous, tales of the unexpected! So not that young I guess. I feel that everything kind of stopped after Ghostwatch in 92. I don’t know if viewers tastes changed, or it became too expensive or what, but there was a good 20 years when it felt like auntie beeb was consciously trying to make us shit our pants!

    There was some great stuff made then it seems! @Svetlovska I hadn't even heard of those 2, they're both on YouTube I see, happy day! (you might get that reference!)

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    @sevenape, @Gavinski : check them out, I think you’ll like them. Robin Redbreast still has some genuinely scary moments, up there in my book with Nigel Kneale’s The Stone Tape (also available in full on YouTube) , while Penda’s Fen is deep, a meditation on what Alan Garner of Redshift and The Weirdstone of Brisingamen fame calls Deep Time… British mysticism at its finest, a lineage which Ben Wheatley, with Kill List, and, more directly A Field In England:

    And Alan Moore, inter alia, now carries forward. Check out for example Moore’s hallucinatory psychogeographic film about the mentally ill poetic genius John Clare:

    And happy day to you too, Gav! I’ll meet you in Milbury at the next conjunction. Just stay out of the circle. (Yes, I do ;) )

    Sidenote: what a fantastic theme that show had!

    Remember, folks… this was a kids tv show!

  • Lovely work.

    I'm irrationally excited about Arguments.

    Glad to have some film recommendations as well. I've seen the names before but never paid attention to them, at my peril.

  • I like this

  • I always look forward to your tracks when you post them. Really enjoyed this one. Well done.

  • @Svetlovska said:
    @sevenape, @Gavinski : check them out, I think you’ll like them. Robin Redbreast still has some genuinely scary moments, up there in my book with Nigel Kneale’s The Stone Tape (also available in full on YouTube) , while Penda’s Fen is deep, a meditation on what Alan Garner of Redshift and The Weirdstone of Brisingamen fame calls Deep Time… British mysticism at its finest, a lineage which Ben Wheatley, with Kill List, and, more directly A Field In England:

    And Alan Moore, inter alia, now carries forward. Check out for example Moore’s hallucinatory psychogeographic film about the mentally ill poetic genius John Clare:

    And happy day to you too, Gav! I’ll meet you in Milbury at the next conjunction. Just stay out of the circle. (Yes, I do ;) )

    Sidenote: what a fantastic theme that show had!

    Remember, folks… this was a kids tv show!

    I watched Robin Redbreast yesterday, really enjoyed it Irena, thnx for the rec. I wonder if it influenced Polanski, as it came out 3 years before Rosemary's Baby.

    God, these 1970s English dramas are so...English. This must have been pretty risqué for the time. 😁😂

    That 'Fisher' character... Almost certainly a Lovecraft reference🐙

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    Thanks all, for the listen, and the comments. Very much appreciated! :)

    I think, Gav, the moment that got me most in Robin Redbreast was the chimney. If you know, you know… that, and the discovery about who was actually at risk.

    These broadly-labelled ‘folk horror’ works, from Blood On Satans Claw (with its famous use of the ‘Devil’s interval’ on the soundtrack)

    and the GOAT Wicker Man, through unjustly overlooked gems like The Borderlands (whose final moments haunt me still. This movie is not what you think it is.):

    and to very recent works like Starve Acre:

    All still feel (appropriately, I guess) like a subterranean strand in the national character, something buried and largely unacknowledged, a uniquely British kind of horror, literally rooted in a bloody and dark Deep Time…

    I feel that there is still much to do (much I should do) in working with concepts like the genius loci of certain, very specifically English spaces. The bleak salt marsh flatlands at the mouth of the River Lune, close to where I now live is one such place, a place of isolated hamlets and drowned twice-daily causeways, where you feel small and… observed beneath immense blank white skies, where the tide comes in faster than a man can run, and there is a dark past of slave ships and pressganged crews to draw on.

    Case in point. One location there is actually called Snatchems, because, back in the day, a slave ship captain, finding himself short of crew would ply locals in the down at heel pub (still there) with booze til closing time, or until the tide was right, and then, well, snatch ‘em. By the time the booze befuddled awoke, they were already part of the crew on route to the next destination of the Triangular Trade, the slave plantations of the Southern US…

  • @Svetlovska said:
    Thanks all, for the listen, and the comments. Very much appreciated! :)

    I think, Gav, the moment that got me most in Robin Redbreast was the chimney. If you know, you know… that, and the discovery about who was actually at risk.

    These broadly-labelled ‘folk horror’ works, from Blood On Satans Claw (with its famous use of the ‘Devil’s interval’ on the soundtrack)

    and the GOAT Wicker Man, through unjustly overlooked gems like The Borderlands (whose final moments haunt me still. This movie is not what you think it is.):

    and to very recent works like Starve Acre:

    All still feel (appropriately, I guess) like a subterranean strand in the national character, something buried and largely unacknowledged, a uniquely British kind of horror, literally rooted in a bloody and dark Deep Time…

    I feel that there is still much to do (much I should do) in working with concepts like the genius loci of certain, very specifically English spaces. The bleak salt marsh flatlands at the mouth of the River Lune, close to where I now live is one such place, a place of isolated hamlets and drowned twice-daily causeways, where you feel small and… observed beneath immense blank white skies, where the tide comes in faster than a man can run, and there is a dark past of slave ships and pressganged crews to draw on.

    You write as evocatively as always. I'll check those out, thnx. Not sure I fully understand the significance of the chimney btw. Great ending tho!

    Speaking of wetlands, I guess you might know that there is now a Barrowbeck novel, not just the BBC Sounds offering?

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    Yup, I came across that a few days ago, in fact. I always feel a kind of love/hate thing when I see someone else has fully realised a thing I sort-of wished I had done myself!

    Here is Snatchems, btw:

    https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/lancaster-from-snatchems-153069

    The Golden Ball Inn is still in business today, still cut off daily by the incoming tides, but glamping pods are more its thing nowadays rather than maritime abduction. Well, at least I think that’s the case… ;) I wrote a story about someone having a bit of an unfortunate time slip incident there after a Christmas do, you can probably deduce the rest…

    If you check out only one movie, btw make it The Borderlands. (US title: Final Prayer). It starts out like a found footage ghost story, but, trust me, where it ends up is not what you expect.

  • @Svetlovska said:
    Yup, I came across that a few days ago, in fact. I always feel a kind of love/hate thing when I see someone else has fully realised a thing I sort-of wished I had done myself!

    Here is Snatchems, btw:

    https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/lancaster-from-snatchems-153069

    The Golden Ball Inn is still in business today, still cut off daily by the incoming tides, but glamping pods are more its thing nowadays rather than maritime abduction. Well, at least I think that’s the case… ;) I wrote a story about someone having a bit of an unfortunate time slip incident there after a Christmas do, you can probably deduce the rest…

    If you check out only one movie, btw make it The Borderlands. (US title: Final Prayer). It starts out like a found footage ghost story, but, trust me, where it ends up is not what you expect.

    Snatchem, lol, great name.

    Thinking about the chinney, yes, a reverse Santa trope...

  • Excellent article about Penda’s Fen: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2014/nov/14/pendas-fen-heresy-horror-pastoral-horror

    It mentions this record label whose vibe is apparently deeply inspired by those old 70s TV plays. Had a quick listen to some of it, a few things sounded really good:

    https://www.ghostbox.co.uk/

    Also - Penda’s Fen soundtrack was done by a guy from the Radiophonic Workshop.

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    Yup, I’m all over Ghostbox. And there’s this too…

    https://ayearinthecountry.co.uk/

    They do books, artwork and music. I have a couple of their prints on the wall in the room I’m in right now , and some albums from various of their artists. This is their ‘About’:

    “The A Year In The Country project began in 2014 and has explored and documented the interconnected rise of interest in the wyrd, eerie and re-enchanted landscape, folk horror, the further reaches of folk music and the parallel worlds of hauntology.

    It was founded and is run by Stephen Prince and has released 9 books and over 30 albums…”

  • @Svetlovska said:
    Yup, I’m all over Ghostbox. And there’s this too…

    https://ayearinthecountry.co.uk/

    They do books, artwork and music. I have a couple of their prints on the wall in the room I’m in right now , and some albums from various of their artists. This is their ‘About’:

    “The A Year In The Country project began in 2014 and has explored and documented the interconnected rise of interest in the wyrd, eerie and re-enchanted landscape, folk horror, the further reaches of folk music and the parallel worlds of hauntology.

    It was founded and is run by Stephen Prince and has released 9 books and over 30 albums…”

    Thnx, looks interesting. You got me in the mood for this stuff past few days! Panda’s Fen was pretentious but never boring, a super unique movie. Starve Acre was pretty silly and disappointing imo, despite the best efforts of the 2 leads. I’m gonna have to recover from that one by watching The Witch again.

  • @Svetlovska said:

    Remember, folks… this was a kids tv show!

    I was going to mention that one, a favourite when I was a kid. Filmed in Avebury.

  • Ah, The Witch! Yup, another really great movie. I loved the darkness of that, and the way that the isolation within the vastness of the then unexplored American land was a character in the movie all on its own, the locked off shots of the encroaching tree line, and the smallness of their little house against it. Like something out of the grimmest of Grimm fairy tales.

    I’ve been to Plymouth Plantation, the ‘living history’ recreation of the first British settler outpost (well, the second, since the occupants of the first vanished in mysterious circumstances, a story in itself) and being there, in torrential rain in the off season, it was easy to imagine how so very alone those first pioneers must have felt. Less like settling a new land, and more like being abandoned on a hostile alien planet. Hadley’s Hope without the tech. Or the hope…

  • @Svetlovska said:
    Ah, The Witch! Yup, another really great movie. I loved the darkness of that, and the way that the isolation within the vastness of the then unexplored American land was a character in the movie all on its own, the locked off shots of the encroaching tree line, and the smallness of their little house against it. Like something out of the grimmest of Grimm fairy tales.

    I’ve been to Plymouth Plantation, the ‘living history’ recreation of the first British settler outpost (well, the second, since the occupants of the first vanished in mysterious circumstances, a story in itself) and being there, in torrential rain in the off season, it was easy to imagine how so very alone those first pioneers must have felt. Less like settling a new land, and more like being abandoned on a hostile alien planet. Hadley’s Hope without the tech. Or the hope…

    Those environmental conditions, combined with the particular flavor of the settlers' Christian beliefs were certainly potent fuel for fear and terror, yikes! Yes, The Witch is excellent.

  • Why is my listening tonight full of ironies.. a track by Irena called ‘ I never expected to miss you…’
    You couldn’t make it up ☹️
    I remember the Stone Tapes… anybody remember The Little Black Bag about a medicine bag from the future ?
    Also a big John Wyndham fan, very British sort of horror / sci-fi
    Great track btw…

  • Love this !!

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