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Unexpected behaviour with Bram Bos Hilda Touch Controls?

Hi

I’ve noticed this unexpected touch response with the rotary controls in Bram Bos Hilda. Please see video and screenshot.

Video shows the results of the four movements below, and the screenshot shows the movement of the touch location on screen.

  1. Swipe straight up - control value increases as expected … keep finger at that location
  2. Swipe to the right - control value goes down! … keep finger at that location
  3. Swipe to the left - control value goes back up! … keep finger at that location
  4. Swipe down - control value goes back down.

If i touch a control then move diagonally upwards and right, the control goes a bit bonkers - it goes up and down a few times.

This feels like it’s unintended behaviour … wonder if others can confirm this, or if @brambos has any thoughts? (Excellent synth by the way ).

Happens in standalone and AUv3. iOS 17.6.2, AUM 1.4.6 (build 331), iPad Pro 2017

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  • edited November 2024

    @craftycurate said:
    Hi

    I’ve noticed this unexpected touch response with the rotary controls in Bram Bos Hilda. Please see video and screenshot.

    Video shows the results of the four movements below, and the screenshot shows the movement of the touch location on screen.

    This feels like it’s unintended behaviour … wonder if others can confirm this, or if @brambos has any thoughts? (Excellent synth by the way ).

    Happens in standalone and AUv3. iOS 17.6.2, AUM 1.4.6 (build 331), iPad Pro 2017

    Maybe I’m not understanding the picture/video but it seems to be the intended way all the dials work within Hilda. At least within mine on stand-alone they all behave the same way. Increase / decrease if I go up down left right.

    1. Swipe straight up - control value increases as expected … keep finger at that location
    2. Swipe to the right - control value goes down! … keep finger at that location
    3. Swipe to the left - control value goes back up! … keep finger at that location
    4. Swipe down - control value goes back down.

    If i touch a control then move diagonally upwards and right, the control goes a bit bonkers - it goes up and down a few times.

    I could be reading this wrong and I can be dense so forgive me if that’s the case.

    What’s your expected direction the dial should go on each of the 4 steps you mentioned? They all do the opposite of one another IE increase / decrease

    I can’t speak (nor would I!) for bram but the dials on the board aren’t all left = 0 - right = increase, the drone starts right = 0 going left increases opening up the drone to the synth.

    I don’t know though! I think this is all intended. That’s why I’m asking your expectation 🙂

  • edited November 2024

    If a control has both vertical and horizontal behaviour I'd expect moving to the right to increase rather than decrease the value.

    Right movement = decrease, as in Hilda, seems the wrong way round to me.

  • As I understand it, dragging straight horizontally is not supposed to change the value, it just increases the precision of the vertical motion. This has been discussed a few times before:

  • @craftycurate said:

    If i touch a control then move diagonally upwards and right, the control goes a bit bonkers - it goes up and down a few times.

    This happens all the time and is quite confusing.

    @Grandbear said:
    As I understand it, dragging straight horizontally is not supposed to change the value, it just increases the precision of the vertical motion. This has been discussed a few times before:

    Thanks @Grandbear , I think I finally get it - dragging vertically up/down is a quick way to change settings; dragging horizontally and then dragging up/down is a more precise way to change settings; dragging diagonally doesn't work like in other apps, oh well.

  • I think if you can find the original Hilda thread(s) you’ll find a huge heated debate about how the knobs should work, and they ended up like this.

    I find them confusing too, FWIW. I tend towards thinking if a control is rotary it should work in a rotary fashion, but I can live with things as they are.

  • @Grandbear said:
    As I understand it, dragging straight horizontally is not supposed to change the value, it just increases the precision of the vertical motion. This has been discussed a few times before:

    Ah Ok thanks … I’ve only just picked up Hilda so I haven’t been paying too much attention to discussiion on it up to this point.

    If this is a “feature” I’ll adapt, as we always do to what devs decide to do. Not a big deal, just that it seems intuitive and quite unique in the app ecosphere.

    Having much fun with it, which is the main thing :#

  • @bygjohn said:
    I think if you can find the original Hilda thread(s) you’ll find a huge heated debate about how the knobs should work, and they ended up like this.

    I find them confusing too, FWIW. I tend towards thinking if a control is rotary it should work in a rotary fashion, but I can live with things as they are.

    Cheers. Yep, at the end of the day I can work with it.

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