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Michael's ground rules...."Please keep all content related to music and music-making."
@Simon… then why is there “other”? Michael specifically allowed stuff like this. You know, human stuff.
Doesn't the "other" category mean "other musical subjects"?
If so, clickbait videos about members of the Royal Family probably don't qualify.
If not, then go for your life.
Perhaps the Mods could clarify this... is "other" for "other musical subjects" or is it "anything goes"?
The pinned ground rules do say "Please keep all content related to music and music-making." (my boldface).
p.s. I spend my life trying to avoid articles about the Royals.
@Simon there is “other musical content” for that. The interview he is giving here is very expansive and he is extremely honest and self effacing. It’s rare to see someone in the spotlight so aware of his own flaws and vulnerabilities. It’s stuff many performers and artists (and people in general, of course) have to cope with. That’s why I think it is relevant.
And my title had nothing to do with privileged royals, other than that anyone can suffer trauma… and traumas can be undramatic as well… like being forced not to express yourself, or to express yourself in a conformist manner from a very young age.. Also relevant to this forum, IMO. Btw, did you watch it?
No, I didn't.
I am trying to cut down on online time and clickbait videos like this don't help. I keep getting sucked in by catchy clickbait YouTube video titles and waste too much time watching them. That's why I hate seeing them on the Forum. It is like offering a ciggy to a person trying to give up smoking.
But if it is allowed by the Mods then I apologise.
@Simon. Thanks for explaining. I wish you well with solving your problem. Gabor Mate is quite an exceptional person (even with his self admitted flaws). He might be someone you’d be interested in.
Its a great video and a very important one. I work as an educator and this will be an interesting source of discussion for our 'Theory of Knowledge' discussions.
Thank you for posting this.
That guy is intense. He reminds me of another Gabor:
I remember him @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr well. And then there was Zia Zia and Eva.
I not going to get into where we step in as moderators and where we don't.
But I will say I personally hope completely off-topic threads remain very few and far between or preferably that they not occur at all. No matter how benign, they always annoy someone. They make us as moderators deal with decisions we'd rather not have to make about when to take action and when to let something slide.
I'm only speaking for myself. Each of us has our own views regarding the letter vs. the spirit of the forum rules. As always, please flag any posts that you feel need our attention. We appreciate that and do seriously consider all feedback.
I really did appreciate watching the video @LinearLineman posted, and I wish there was more food for thought like this posted from time to time.
@Wim, I think @Simon fairly explained his problem. Do you think a totally sterile tech platform with a few regular creatives posting their junk (mostly ignored) is the be all and end all of this forum?
If that is the case to such an extreme where a thread about a philosophical approach to life (which
Is helpful to those in true creative pursuits who might be helped to overcome their obstacles) is just too much for this pristine (and rather desert like landscape) of tech glorification then I foresee losing total interest in this community.
There was a time when folks could bare their souls a little if they had nowhere else to go and get some support from a bunch of compassionate people who really cared about their fellow travelers. That, of course, does not fit any technical list of specs but was quite endearing and inclusive. Frankly, I needed that, too, being isolated in a foreign country.
I eventually came to agree that politics was detrimental to good will. But, for me, this is getting a bit much. Honestly, for me, this has become a rather humorless place where mostly “hobbyists” with no particular or heartfelt artistic interest in actual creation palaver about apps and the disappearance of headphone jacks. At least those are the voices that seem to matter the most.
I have enjoyed the past five years here and am grateful to @Michael and many here. But if this is the rigid structure that must now be accepted universally, it is no longer a place I feel welcome in or comfortable contributing to. I accept this change, of course. It just offers me, personally, nothing.
Mike, as I said, I'm not going to comment on forum policy or the actions we collectively or individually decide to take. The words of the forum guidelines are pretty plain. They were put there for a reason. Interpreting what is worthy of taking action on when it doesn't technically fit in those guidelines is a gray area.
I only shared that for me personally it's not fun to wrestle with when to moderate and when not to. For that reason only I personally prefer things to stay at least loosely on subject. That says nothing about what I would or would not prefer the community to be like. The moderators have a job we agreed to do. It's not a particularly fun or easy to understand task.
I have nothing to offer regarding the rest your post. I've said much more than I should already and won't be commenting further - not because I don't want to or don't care, but because it's not appropriate for me to do so.
For the record, the motivation behind imploring people to keep it about music was because the forum was becoming a bit of a nasty place a while back, mostly because of the infiltration of some pretty intense politics. After growing some grey hairs and reaching out to Doug for some help, we pretty much decided that the way to defend against that was to put some rails back in place. In principle, I am all for having a place where we can talk about anything at all, but it's important that we remain civil, and seems that having some guidelines in place about keeping it music-related has more or less done that so far, at least as far as I can tell.
I'm very happy to relax that if there's ever a good reason to think that we can maintain the peace!
But yeah, for now, the "Other" area is a nod to my aspirations of a totally open forum. But, you know, only a nod.
@wim, lol, brother, that’s why I gave up being a moderator. As I said, if this is the direction of this forum… one which, amusingly, seems to be in keeping with the times we now live in… that’s fine. Just not a place I want to invest my time in. Happy holidays, my friend.
I do love Gabor and his sons, for their beautiful, honest, humanity. I’ve listened to many of Gabor’s interviews and his sons, especially Aaron Mate, for many a year.
+1
My interpretation of the ‘Other’ is just that - arbitrary topics that may or may not be musically related. With that said, I pretty much align with Wim on this. I think the sparser the better.
And ofc Michael cleared it up ofc lol
Agree with less is better sentiment. I learnt my lesson and stopped engaging with anything even remotely political or devisive on here now. Where I used to comment, I just flag instead. I even change the titles of some of my tracks so as to be less likely to cause any issues. Life is too full of drama and I like it when it's drama free here. My rule now is if I see something on here I don't like, I will go and do something else instead. I know there are still a few here that like to push a few people's buttons if possible, I just try to make sure I'm not one o them....at least not with any malice of forethought anyhow...
Thank you @Michael for confirming your great attitude once again. 😊
@LinearLineman wrote: “… Honestly, for me, this has become a rather humorless place where mostly “hobbyists” with no particular or heartfelt artistic interest in actual creation …”
You can’t judge whether the community is made up of people that have “heartfelt artistic interest” based on what they choose to post about or the words of a few people.
I have no objection to a thread like this but feel like your statement is an unfairly judgmental one. Someone might have “heartfelt artistic interest” and not feel like they are interested in discussing that side of things on this forum.
Personally, I don’t find a thread that starts with a video link and no commentary from the poster to be an invitation to a thought-provoking conversation.
lol @espiegel123 check the censorship thread for a complete description of my thoughts and feelings. You’re right, though, I should have addressed the video’s misleading title. It never occurred to me that it was a problem, but I get it now.
I’m not a mind reader as to what people think but don’t say, but I do see a watershed moment. LPF will likely be a total tech forum and I have no problem with that. Just not for me.
Happy holiday, brother. Best to you.
Your post in the censorship thread is what brought me here. Not sure what about my comment invites the lolz.
Imo, if your goal is to have a conversation about the video, the way to do it is along with the link to say something about the video and why you think it’s interesting.