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Which 49-key Bluetooth MIDI Controllers Do You Recommend for 2025?

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  • I have and like the Carry-on Folding Controller 49. The keys are full width but shorter in length. They also have a very unusual key action (straight up and down) but they are good for organs, pads, and synths (and I can get an "acceptable" response for electric pianos). It is cheap (I paid 100 GBP at Amazon UK). Battery life is great and Bluetooth connection is solid.
    https://carryonplaying.com/product/carry-on-folding-controller/

  • @hes said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    @zzrwood and others - what would be the Bluetooth DIN MIDI adapter you'd recommend? US Amazon link preferred. :)

    M-Vave MS1. $10 (that’s what i paid for it). Works flawlessly

    No experience with M-Vave MS1, but it doesn't appear to be a Bluetooth adapter. Seems to (1) use a proprietary wireless protocol, (2) require using its USB dongle on the iPad end, and (3) requires separate charging of the DIN plugs, doesn't draw power from midi ports on the controller device. That said, maybe it works quite well.

    Negatory on all three counts. 1) bluetooth, 2) connects to iPad without dongle, 3) battery inside DIN plugs lasts forever

  • heshes
    edited December 2024

    @kyrillik said:

    @hes said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    @zzrwood and others - what would be the Bluetooth DIN MIDI adapter you'd recommend? US Amazon link preferred. :)

    M-Vave MS1. $10 (that’s what i paid for it). Works flawlessly

    No experience with M-Vave MS1, but it doesn't appear to be a Bluetooth adapter. Seems to (1) use a proprietary wireless protocol, (2) require using its USB dongle on the iPad end, and (3) requires separate charging of the DIN plugs, doesn't draw power from midi ports on the controller device. That said, maybe it works quite well.

    Negatory on all three counts. 1) bluetooth, 2) connects to iPad without dongle, 3) battery inside DIN plugs lasts forever

    Not sure what you could possibly mean when you say a "battery lasts forever". Maybe your version is actually powered by the MIDI Out DIN.

    But, in any case, it seems that at least some M-Vave MS1 products sold on Amazon are different from what you describe, so anyone purchasing should be careful to figure out what they're actually buying: https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Transssion-Adapter-Support-Interface/dp/B0DPB5G4XH

  • @kyrillik said:

    @hes said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    @zzrwood and others - what would be the Bluetooth DIN MIDI adapter you'd recommend? US Amazon link preferred. :)

    M-Vave MS1. $10 (that’s what i paid for it). Works flawlessly

    No experience with M-Vave MS1, but it doesn't appear to be a Bluetooth adapter. Seems to (1) use a proprietary wireless protocol, (2) require using its USB dongle on the iPad end, and (3) requires separate charging of the DIN plugs, doesn't draw power from midi ports on the controller device. That said, maybe it works quite well.

    Negatory on all three counts. 1) bluetooth, 2) connects to iPad without dongle, 3) battery inside DIN plugs lasts forever

    The CME WIDI Master might work better with the Novation's single MIDI out port, as it can be separated and just used as a MIDI out adapter, without the in adapter hanging off it. It also seems like it might be more configurable and updatable with an iOS app. That said it is more expensive...

  • edited December 2024

    @hes said:

    @kyrillik said:

    @hes said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    @zzrwood and others - what would be the Bluetooth DIN MIDI adapter you'd recommend? US Amazon link preferred. :)

    M-Vave MS1. $10 (that’s what i paid for it). Works flawlessly

    No experience with M-Vave MS1, but it doesn't appear to be a Bluetooth adapter. Seems to (1) use a proprietary wireless protocol, (2) require using its USB dongle on the iPad end, and (3) requires separate charging of the DIN plugs, doesn't draw power from midi ports on the controller device. That said, maybe it works quite well.

    Negatory on all three counts. 1) bluetooth, 2) connects to iPad without dongle, 3) battery inside DIN plugs lasts forever

    Not sure what you could possibly mean when you say a "battery lasts forever". Maybe your version is actually powered by the MIDI Out DIN.

    But, in any case, it seems that at least some M-Vave MS1 products sold on Amazon are different from what you describe, so anyone purchasing should be careful to figure out what they're actually buying: https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Transssion-Adapter-Support-Interface/dp/B0DPB5G4XH

    You're right, when dealing with chinese stuff, one should be aware of clones and fakes. That being said, my MS1 looks exactly like the one you've linked to.

    So, here's what it does. There are three modes of operation:

    1) Connect USB MIDI device to iPad via bluetooth.
    2) Connect DIN MIDI device to iPad via bluetooth.
    3) Connect USB MIDI device to DIN MIDI device wirelessly. The third mode activates automatically if both dongle and plugs are on. While it's possible it uses some proprietary wireless protocol for this mode (and only this one, coz with other two modes devices are literally discoverable by iPad), I highly doubt it, coz a) they would have to add additional wireless hardware there, and b) there is zero need for it since bluetooth MIDI has a very low latency already. Anyway, I see no difference in latency between those three modes.

    DIN plugs have a built-in battery inside, and a USB-C charging port. Your link says "Battery Life: Up to 48 hours" but I have MS1 for a couple of months now, and I have not yet charged it. Is it possible the plugs were also powered by the MIDI Out DIN all that time? Yes, but I doubt it coz they never mention this feature in the manual or description. I turn the plugs off after jams, so it's quite possible I haven't yet hit 48 hours of usage in total.

  • Interesting. Note that the M-Vave MS1 description on that page differs from your account. I trust that you are actually connecting from each device via Bluetooth BLE. But the product description doesn't mention Bluetooth anywhere, and does refer to a "proprietary protocol". I asked this in the question area on the page:

    " Does this m-vave ms1 product connect via bluetooth midi?"

    And got the following answer:

    "No, the M-VAVE MS1 uses a proprietary 2.4GHz protocol for low-latency wireless transmission, not Bluetooth MIDI. It is designed to provide a wireless DI connection for devices with a DI interface, offering a latency as low as 3 milliseconds."

    Seems maybe a little bit like the CME devices, which claim 3ms latency when connecting to each other, but are somewhat (and probably non-noticeably) slower when connecting to other devices via Bluetooth BLE.

  • That’s really weird. Well, par for the course for chinese products.

  • BTW, here's mine:

    It would be funny if it's the fake one, and it works better than the real one :)

  • edited December 2024

    @kyrillik said:

    @hes said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    @zzrwood and others - what would be the Bluetooth DIN MIDI adapter you'd recommend? US Amazon link preferred. :)

    M-Vave MS1. $10 (that’s what i paid for it). Works flawlessly

    No experience with M-Vave MS1, but it doesn't appear to be a Bluetooth adapter. Seems to (1) use a proprietary wireless protocol, (2) require using its USB dongle on the iPad end, and (3) requires separate charging of the DIN plugs, doesn't draw power from midi ports on the controller device. That said, maybe it works quite well.

    Negatory on all three counts. 1) bluetooth, 2) connects to iPad without dongle, 3) battery inside DIN plugs lasts forever

    I have the MS-1 works well, not perhaps the best construction of my dongle’s but only time will tell, you can use the USB standalone or the 5-pin standalone or both together, plus you can power the USB via the extra connection should you need power, exceptional value IMHO, but unlike WIDI dongle’s you can only use one pair as the adapter name can’t be changed.

    Yes it’s Bluetooth to iOS, Mac or Windows, just about most USB - 5 pin devices I’ve tested.

  • @kyrillik said:
    BTW, here's mine:

    [ . . .]

    It would be funny if it's the fake one, and it works better than the real one :)

    My guess is that both yours and the one I linked may well be "real" M-Vave products, but that the ad copy for the one I linked is poorly written and/or incomplete/mistaken.

  • It's not 49 keys but, The HydraSynth Explorer 37 Key is one of the most amazing Synth key beds I've ever tested. It reminds me of the quality feel of the Korg pro level Synths like the Korg Trinity, Tritons line. The feel and Polyphonic After touch is truly remarkable!

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