Wrap around a midi note that starts before the end of the bar/loop to the beginning.

supadom

This applies to midi looping while live recording aka playing on a keyboard while sequencer is running and record enabled.

Is there a real world solution to a midi sequencer’s inability to record the last note of the bar and bring it around to the beginning of the loop?

The same or similar issue happens when the phrase starts before the beginning of the bar/loop.

It happens to me more and more often and I wish there was a clever trick a sequencer can use to make this work.

Just trying to get a bigger picture here.

supadom

This question is possibly more for sequencing app developers but of course anyone’s welcome to contribute

rs2000

I remember sequencers that I've seen in the past which gave you the choice whether to wrap longer notes in a loop.
Either this feature is a rare request or it has caused too much irritation for users who don't want this, so these developers decided to stop supporting it.

supadom

@rs2000 said:
I remember sequencers that I've seen in the past which gave you the choice whether to wrap longer notes in a loop.
Either this feature is a rare request or it has caused too much irritation for users who don't want this, so these developers decided to stop supporting it.

Were they hardware or software sequencers?

Just realised it’s probably a dumb question. You’re talking software right?

Can you remember any names in particular?

rs2000

Hardware. Either Yamaha RM1x or Roland XP-80, not sure anymore.

But I have found a solution!
If you record a longer phrase into Drambo's Sequencer module and then crop it to the desired loop length, note lengths exceeding the end of the clip will be played with their original recorded length!
I just found out myself.

Alfred

I guess you would have to quantize the input to make the start and end of notes fall within the bar.

espiegel123

@supadom said:
This applies to midi looping while live recording aka playing on a keyboard while sequencer is running and record enabled.

Is there a real world solution to a midi sequencer’s inability to record the last note of the bar and bring it around to the beginning of the loop?

The same or similar issue happens when the phrase starts before the beginning of the bar/loop.

It happens to me more and more often and I wish there was a clever trick a sequencer can use to make this work.

Just trying to get a bigger picture here.

The looper would need an option about how to handle such situations. It is thd equivalent of handling tails in an audio recorder.

If you are triggering a mono synth, there isn’t a good solution for that it’s worth as the held note will necessarily be killed by the overlapping note.

supadom

@espiegel123 said:

@supadom said:
This applies to midi looping while live recording aka playing on a keyboard while sequencer is running and record enabled.

Is there a real world solution to a midi sequencer’s inability to record the last note of the bar and bring it around to the beginning of the loop?

The same or similar issue happens when the phrase starts before the beginning of the bar/loop.

It happens to me more and more often and I wish there was a clever trick a sequencer can use to make this work.

Just trying to get a bigger picture here.

The looper would need an option about how to handle such situations. It is thd equivalent of handling tails in an audio recorder.

If you are triggering a mono synth, there isn’t a good solution for that it’s worth as the held note will necessarily be killed by the overlapping note.

Thanks. I understand the mechanics here aka why it is happening.

I’m just surprised, if the solution exists, especially in hardware, why isn’t it readily implemented in sequencers that allow live midi capture?

The monosynth example isn’t really relevant if the killer note doesn’t exist. Audio loop tail can be remedied by simply by playing the same thing over and over and capturing just the middle bit. Likely with a bit of a hiccup on the 1.

supadom

@rs2000 said:
Hardware. Either Yamaha RM1x or Roland XP-80, not sure anymore.

But I have found a solution!
If you record a longer phrase into Drambo's Sequencer module and then crop it to the desired loop length, note lengths exceeding the end of the clip will be played with their original recorded length!
I just found out myself.

That’s something! Still not ideal for seamless live jamming but something. Thanks

espiegel123

@supadom said:

@espiegel123 said:

@supadom said:
This applies to midi looping while live recording aka playing on a keyboard while sequencer is running and record enabled.

Is there a real world solution to a midi sequencer’s inability to record the last note of the bar and bring it around to the beginning of the loop?

The same or similar issue happens when the phrase starts before the beginning of the bar/loop.

It happens to me more and more often and I wish there was a clever trick a sequencer can use to make this work.

Just trying to get a bigger picture here.

The looper would need an option about how to handle such situations. It is thd equivalent of handling tails in an audio recorder.

If you are triggering a mono synth, there isn’t a good solution for that it’s worth as the held note will necessarily be killed by the overlapping note.

Thanks. I understand the mechanics here aka why it is happening.

I’m just surprised, if the solution exists, especially in hardware, why isn’t it readily implemented in sequencers that allow live midi capture?

The monosynth example isn’t really relevant if the killer note doesn’t exist. Audio loop tail can be remedied by simply by playing the same thing over and over and capturing just the middle bit. Likely with a bit of a hiccup on the 1.

You should contact developers and request the feature. You seemed to be asking why developers don’t implement it. The answer is that it adds complexity (hence development time).

Developers will sometimes gauge the importance of a feature based on user feedback. There are generally more features one would like to implement than time available.

supadom

@espiegel123 said:

@supadom said:

@espiegel123 said:

@supadom said:
This applies to midi looping while live recording aka playing on a keyboard while sequencer is running and record enabled.

Is there a real world solution to a midi sequencer’s inability to record the last note of the bar and bring it around to the beginning of the loop?

The same or similar issue happens when the phrase starts before the beginning of the bar/loop.

It happens to me more and more often and I wish there was a clever trick a sequencer can use to make this work.

Just trying to get a bigger picture here.

The looper would need an option about how to handle such situations. It is thd equivalent of handling tails in an audio recorder.

If you are triggering a mono synth, there isn’t a good solution for that it’s worth as the held note will necessarily be killed by the overlapping note.

Thanks. I understand the mechanics here aka why it is happening.

I’m just surprised, if the solution exists, especially in hardware, why isn’t it readily implemented in sequencers that allow live midi capture?

The monosynth example isn’t really relevant if the killer note doesn’t exist. Audio loop tail can be remedied by simply by playing the same thing over and over and capturing just the middle bit. Likely with a bit of a hiccup on the 1.

You should contact developers and request the feature. You seemed to be asking why developers don’t implement it. The answer is that it adds complexity (hence development time).

Developers will sometimes gauge the importance of a feature based on user feedback. There are generally more features one would like to implement than time available.

Undoubtedly. I was going to do that right after I’ve gathered some info from this thread. Thanks