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New midi controller app SHAPER by Sqsl dev

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  • @Johnmayo said:
    No auv3

    None of his apps are.

    They're very cool though.

    So maybe let's focus on the good elements of this guy's apps, rather than make this just another thread complaining about what they're not....

  • This looks interesting.

  • @Kashi said:

    @Johnmayo said:
    No auv3

    None of his apps are.

    They're very cool though.

    So maybe let's focus on the good elements of this guy's apps, rather than make this just another thread complaining about what they're not....

    Admire the positivity but AU is pretty much essential these days for me. Don't really consider buying apps which aren't. I'll get this if ever it becomes AU though - looks really interesting

  • @charalew said:

    @Kashi said:

    @Johnmayo said:
    No auv3

    None of his apps are.

    They're very cool though.

    So maybe let's focus on the good elements of this guy's apps, rather than make this just another thread complaining about what they're not....

    Admire the positivity but AU is pretty much essential these days for me. Don't really consider buying apps which aren't. I'll get this if ever it becomes AU though - looks really interesting

    Same. Very surprised people are still making apps without it.

  • @charalew said:

    @Kashi said:

    @Johnmayo said:
    No auv3

    None of his apps are.

    They're very cool though.

    So maybe let's focus on the good elements of this guy's apps, rather than make this just another thread complaining about what they're not....

    Admire the positivity but AU is pretty much essential these days for me. Don't really consider buying apps which aren't. I'll get this if ever it becomes AU though - looks really interesting

    Same. I appreciate if someone mentions AU yes/no right away. It potentially saves me a click and search for myself.

  • Same. I don’t keep tabs on whether a developer is keeping up to snuff or not, quick glance early in the thread is nice.

  • sqsl apps have renewed my interest in iPad music just because it doesn't offer connectivity, just midi out to a synth or to another iPad. Every app by itself, it makes me focus and I don't have to fiddle with app changing. The fact that they are not tempo locked is only a plus for me - although you can make tempo based music too.

    They are deep but easy enough to get up with something in no time, learning gradually as I use them and so avoiding jumping up to the next shiny thing in the market like a monkey mind.

    The domain name, unfortunate. Luckily you find his apps under his (?) name: Michal Macura

  • @dwell said:
    sqsl apps have renewed my interest in iPad music just because it doesn't offer connectivity, just midi out to a synth or to another iPad. Every app by itself, it makes me focus and I don't have to fiddle with app changing. The fact that they are not tempo locked is only a plus for me - although you can make tempo based music too.

    They are deep but easy enough to get up with something in no time, learning gradually as I use them and so avoiding jumping up to the next shiny thing in the market like a monkey mind.

    The domain name, unfortunate. Luckily you find his apps under his (?) name: Michal Macura

    I would love to try one. Is there one you like most that you would recommend? (I lean toward less conventional)

  • edited January 15

    @gkillmaster said:

    @dwell said:
    sqsl apps have renewed my interest in iPad music just because it doesn't offer connectivity, just midi out to a synth or to another iPad. Every app by itself, it makes me focus and I don't have to fiddle with app changing. The fact that they are not tempo locked is only a plus for me - although you can make tempo based music too.

    They are deep but easy enough to get up with something in no time, learning gradually as I use them and so avoiding jumping up to the next shiny thing in the market like a monkey mind.

    The domain name, unfortunate. Luckily you find his apps under his (?) name: Michal Macura

    I would love to try one. Is there one you like most that you would recommend? (I lean toward less conventional)

    They are all amazing, and I really agree with @dwell - the dev really strikes a perfect balance between depth and focus, and it does not hurt, that they are all beautifully designed too. (Also very easy to set up to control synths in AUM, if you do not use hardware.) My current favorite is Lottery. It can so some really weird but musical stuff. Latch is wonderful too, if you want a more of a looping workflow rather than something more step-based.

    More info:
    https://www.seqsual.com/lottery
    https://www.seqsual.com/latch

  • @catbox said:

    @gkillmaster said:

    @dwell said:
    sqsl apps have renewed my interest in iPad music just because it doesn't offer connectivity, just midi out to a synth or to another iPad. Every app by itself, it makes me focus and I don't have to fiddle with app changing. The fact that they are not tempo locked is only a plus for me - although you can make tempo based music too.

    They are deep but easy enough to get up with something in no time, learning gradually as I use them and so avoiding jumping up to the next shiny thing in the market like a monkey mind.

    The domain name, unfortunate. Luckily you find his apps under his (?) name: Michal Macura

    I would love to try one. Is there one you like most that you would recommend? (I lean toward less conventional)

    They are all amazing, and I really agree with @dwell - the dev really strikes a perfect balance between depth and focus, and it does not hurt, that they are all beautifully designed too. (Also very easy to set up to control synths in AUM, if you do not use hardware.) My current favorite is Lottery. It can so some really weird but musical stuff. Latch is wonderful too, if you want a more of a looping workflow rather than something more step-based.

    More info:
    https://www.seqsual.com/lottery
    https://www.seqsual.com/latch

    Very much appreciated!

    Are you using Canvas at all? I got an audio interface based on it being DC coupled, but when I got it, it only has 2 audio outputs for speakers so I'm not sure I could use it. I'd be curious if you got it to work.

  • Would be awesome if it had a Tonnetz layout. Well, and AUv3 support, of course.

  • @gkillmaster said:

    @catbox said:

    @gkillmaster said:

    @dwell said:
    sqsl apps have renewed my interest in iPad music just because it doesn't offer connectivity, just midi out to a synth or to another iPad. Every app by itself, it makes me focus and I don't have to fiddle with app changing. The fact that they are not tempo locked is only a plus for me - although you can make tempo based music too.

    They are deep but easy enough to get up with something in no time, learning gradually as I use them and so avoiding jumping up to the next shiny thing in the market like a monkey mind.

    The domain name, unfortunate. Luckily you find his apps under his (?) name: Michal Macura

    I would love to try one. Is there one you like most that you would recommend? (I lean toward less conventional)

    They are all amazing, and I really agree with @dwell - the dev really strikes a perfect balance between depth and focus, and it does not hurt, that they are all beautifully designed too. (Also very easy to set up to control synths in AUM, if you do not use hardware.) My current favorite is Lottery. It can so some really weird but musical stuff. Latch is wonderful too, if you want a more of a looping workflow rather than something more step-based.

    More info:
    https://www.seqsual.com/lottery
    https://www.seqsual.com/latch

    Very much appreciated!

    Are you using Canvas at all? I got an audio interface based on it being DC coupled, but when I got it, it only has 2 audio outputs for speakers so I'm not sure I could use it. I'd be curious if you got it to work.

    No, I’m afraid I have not used Canvas. Only the sequencers, RSVP and Astral.

  • @catbox said:

    @gkillmaster said:

    @catbox said:

    @gkillmaster said:

    @dwell said:
    sqsl apps have renewed my interest in iPad music just because it doesn't offer connectivity, just midi out to a synth or to another iPad. Every app by itself, it makes me focus and I don't have to fiddle with app changing. The fact that they are not tempo locked is only a plus for me - although you can make tempo based music too.

    They are deep but easy enough to get up with something in no time, learning gradually as I use them and so avoiding jumping up to the next shiny thing in the market like a monkey mind.

    The domain name, unfortunate. Luckily you find his apps under his (?) name: Michal Macura

    I would love to try one. Is there one you like most that you would recommend? (I lean toward less conventional)

    They are all amazing, and I really agree with @dwell - the dev really strikes a perfect balance between depth and focus, and it does not hurt, that they are all beautifully designed too. (Also very easy to set up to control synths in AUM, if you do not use hardware.) My current favorite is Lottery. It can so some really weird but musical stuff. Latch is wonderful too, if you want a more of a looping workflow rather than something more step-based.

    More info:
    https://www.seqsual.com/lottery
    https://www.seqsual.com/latch

    Very much appreciated!

    Are you using Canvas at all? I got an audio interface based on it being DC coupled, but when I got it, it only has 2 audio outputs for speakers so I'm not sure I could use it. I'd be curious if you got it to work.

    No, I’m afraid I have not used Canvas. Only the sequencers, RSVP and Astral.

    Thank you!

  • Latch is my favourite. Great for ambient jamming. And I am very grateful that the dev took on my suggestion and implemented the option to turn latching on and off.
    These apps are great, my only wish would be to be able to run them on older iOS versions. Standalone MIDI controller apps are ideal to give an old tablet some new life purpose.

  • Lottery is my fave

  • @Gavinski said:
    Lottery is my fave

    Looking at it I feel tempted to give it a go. The way how probability and harmony can be combined is very inspiring. And the UIs of these apps are ideal for live stuff because they make use of the screen and are not small and fiddly.

  • @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Lottery is my fave

    Looking at it I feel tempted to give it a go. The way how probability and harmony can be combined is very inspiring. And the UIs of these apps are ideal for live stuff because they make use of the screen and are not small and fiddly.

    I did a vid on that one btw, yes I like his UIs!

  • @charalew said:

    @Kashi said:

    @Johnmayo said:
    No auv3

    None of his apps are.

    They're very cool though.

    So maybe let's focus on the good elements of this guy's apps, rather than make this just another thread complaining about what they're not....

    Admire the positivity but AU is pretty much essential these days for me. Don't really consider buying apps which aren't. I'll get this if ever it becomes AU though - looks really interesting

    I don’t see the point of being AUv3 for a midi controller app. What am I missing here ?

  • @Paulo164 said:

    @charalew said:

    @Kashi said:

    @Johnmayo said:
    No auv3

    None of his apps are.

    They're very cool though.

    So maybe let's focus on the good elements of this guy's apps, rather than make this just another thread complaining about what they're not....

    Admire the positivity but AU is pretty much essential these days for me. Don't really consider buying apps which aren't. I'll get this if ever it becomes AU though - looks really interesting

    I don’t see the point of being AUv3 for a midi controller app. What am I missing here ?

    Midi sequencer chaining and all in one production chain preset saving/recall are the biggest two, I think. Huge workflow and creative features for me.

  • @gusgranite said:

    @Paulo164 said:

    @charalew said:

    @Kashi said:

    @Johnmayo said:
    No auv3

    None of his apps are.

    They're very cool though.

    So maybe let's focus on the good elements of this guy's apps, rather than make this just another thread complaining about what they're not....

    Admire the positivity but AU is pretty much essential these days for me. Don't really consider buying apps which aren't. I'll get this if ever it becomes AU though - looks really interesting

    I don’t see the point of being AUv3 for a midi controller app. What am I missing here ?

    Midi sequencer chaining and all in one production chain preset saving/recall are the biggest two, I think. Huge workflow and creative features for me.

    Oh, and multi-instance. Use that all the time.

  • edited January 15

    @gusgranite said:

    @Paulo164 said:

    @charalew said:

    @Kashi said:

    @Johnmayo said:
    No auv3

    None of his apps are.

    They're very cool though.

    So maybe let's focus on the good elements of this guy's apps, rather than make this just another thread complaining about what they're not....

    Admire the positivity but AU is pretty much essential these days for me. Don't really consider buying apps which aren't. I'll get this if ever it becomes AU though - looks really interesting

    I don’t see the point of being AUv3 for a midi controller app. What am I missing here ?

    Midi sequencer chaining and all in one production chain preset saving/recall are the biggest two, I think. Huge workflow and creative features for me.

    Agreed, I would use these apps more if they were AUv3, for those kinds of reasons

  • @gusgranite said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @Paulo164 said:

    @charalew said:

    @Kashi said:

    @Johnmayo said:
    No auv3

    None of his apps are.

    They're very cool though.

    So maybe let's focus on the good elements of this guy's apps, rather than make this just another thread complaining about what they're not....

    Admire the positivity but AU is pretty much essential these days for me. Don't really consider buying apps which aren't. I'll get this if ever it becomes AU though - looks really interesting

    I don’t see the point of being AUv3 for a midi controller app. What am I missing here ?

    Midi sequencer chaining and all in one production chain preset saving/recall are the biggest two, I think. Huge workflow and creative features for me.

    Oh, and multi-instance. Use that all the time.

    Wow, sorry I don’t get everything but that sounds impressive just for midi controlling !
    Anyway, I use only 1 favorite preset of velocity keyboard and always use it in standalone mode as midi IN only. This way I benefit from the full screen and that’s perfect for me.

  • edited January 15

    @Paulo164 said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @Paulo164 said:

    @charalew said:

    @Kashi said:

    @Johnmayo said:
    No auv3

    None of his apps are.

    They're very cool though.

    So maybe let's focus on the good elements of this guy's apps, rather than make this just another thread complaining about what they're not....

    Admire the positivity but AU is pretty much essential these days for me. Don't really consider buying apps which aren't. I'll get this if ever it becomes AU though - looks really interesting

    I don’t see the point of being AUv3 for a midi controller app. What am I missing here ?

    Midi sequencer chaining and all in one production chain preset saving/recall are the biggest two, I think. Huge workflow and creative features for me.

    Oh, and multi-instance. Use that all the time.

    Wow, sorry I don’t get everything but that sounds impressive just for midi controlling !
    Anyway, I use only 1 favorite preset of velocity keyboard and always use it in standalone mode as midi IN only. This way I benefit from the full screen and that’s perfect for me.

    These sqsl apps are mostly not keyboards though, they're often semi-generative or chance-based in some way, and you set up the conditions in advance. That often takes time, thought and planning. The apps also have rudimentary preset systems built in because presets are useful. So anything where you're using presets is much handier as AUv3 than standalone, because you can set it up different ways in different AUM sessions, then open up the AUM session and everything is set up exactly the way you want it. You don't have to make notes for yourself about the preset that was being used and so on. I like these apps but the fact remains that for most people's workflow, there would be benefits to them being AUv3. And there is no downside at all now, since AUM has a full screen mode. So if you use AUM, you could also be using Velocity Keyboard AUv3 in your sessions, with different setups as needed, all saved exactly as you expect, and would still be able to use it full screen.

  • @catherder said:
    Standalone MIDI controller apps are ideal to give an old tablet some new life purpose.

    So true!

  • edited January 15

    @Paulo164 said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @Paulo164 said:

    @charalew said:

    @Kashi said:

    @Johnmayo said:
    No auv3

    None of his apps are.

    They're very cool though.

    So maybe let's focus on the good elements of this guy's apps, rather than make this just another thread complaining about what they're not....

    Admire the positivity but AU is pretty much essential these days for me. Don't really consider buying apps which aren't. I'll get this if ever it becomes AU though - looks really interesting

    I don’t see the point of being AUv3 for a midi controller app. What am I missing here ?

    Midi sequencer chaining and all in one production chain preset saving/recall are the biggest two, I think. Huge workflow and creative features for me.

    Oh, and multi-instance. Use that all the time.

    Wow, sorry I don’t get everything but that sounds impressive just for midi controlling !
    Anyway, I use only 1 favorite preset of velocity keyboard and always use it in standalone mode as midi IN only. This way I benefit from the full screen and that’s perfect for me.

    Hi Paulo - here’s a really quick sketch to show you how I use AUv3 midi sequencers. Piano Motifs is sequencing the first synth. Then Bleass Arp is sequencing the second synth but with Piano Motifs chained before the arp to follow that same key sequence. Rozeta Bassline is then sequencing the bass synth in the same key/scale.

    Super simple example but you can just layer on variety from here with other midi sequencers. Duplicate their instance, make small changes, bring them in and out etc. Hit save and the whole session is saved. No individual presets needing to be saved if you don’t feel like it, and you have one click recall of all the sequences when you re-open the session etc. I really wish developers understood this workflow before making the initial effort to code an iOS music app (and still give the standalone preference as an option so everyone is happy).

  • edited January 15

    @Gavinski said:

    @Paulo164 said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @Paulo164 said:

    @charalew said:

    @Kashi said:

    @Johnmayo said:
    No auv3

    None of his apps are.

    They're very cool though.

    So maybe let's focus on the good elements of this guy's apps, rather than make this just another thread complaining about what they're not....

    Admire the positivity but AU is pretty much essential these days for me. Don't really consider buying apps which aren't. I'll get this if ever it becomes AU though - looks really interesting

    I don’t see the point of being AUv3 for a midi controller app. What am I missing here ?

    Midi sequencer chaining and all in one production chain preset saving/recall are the biggest two, I think. Huge workflow and creative features for me.

    Oh, and multi-instance. Use that all the time.

    Wow, sorry I don’t get everything but that sounds impressive just for midi controlling !
    Anyway, I use only 1 favorite preset of velocity keyboard and always use it in standalone mode as midi IN only. This way I benefit from the full screen and that’s perfect for me.

    These sqsl apps are mostly not keyboards though, they're often semi-generative or chance-based in some way, and you set up the conditions in advance. That often takes time, thought and planning. The apps also have rudimentary preset systems built in because presets are useful. So anything where you're using presets is much handier as AUv3 than standalone, because you can set it up different ways in different AUM sessions, then open up the AUM session and everything is set up exactly the way you want it. You don't have to make notes for yourself about the preset that was being used and so on. I like these apps but the fact remains that for most people's workflow, there would be benefits to them being AUv3. And there is no downside at all now, since AUM has a full screen mode. So if you use AUM, you could also be using Velocity Keyboard AUv3 in your sessions, with different setups as needed, all saved exactly as you expect, and would still be able to use it full screen.

    Thanks for this clarification !
    Plus I forgot AUM now allows full screen, which is great (I am with ApeMatrix, still loyal to it…).

  • edited January 15

    @gusgranite said:

    @Paulo164 said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @Paulo164 said:

    @charalew said:

    @Kashi said:

    @Johnmayo said:
    No auv3

    None of his apps are.

    They're very cool though.

    So maybe let's focus on the good elements of this guy's apps, rather than make this just another thread complaining about what they're not....

    Admire the positivity but AU is pretty much essential these days for me. Don't really consider buying apps which aren't. I'll get this if ever it becomes AU though - looks really interesting

    I don’t see the point of being AUv3 for a midi controller app. What am I missing here ?

    Midi sequencer chaining and all in one production chain preset saving/recall are the biggest two, I think. Huge workflow and creative features for me.

    Oh, and multi-instance. Use that all the time.

    Wow, sorry I don’t get everything but that sounds impressive just for midi controlling !
    Anyway, I use only 1 favorite preset of velocity keyboard and always use it in standalone mode as midi IN only. This way I benefit from the full screen and that’s perfect for me.

    Hi Paulo - here’s a really quick sketch to show you how I use AUv3 midi sequencers. Piano Motifs is sequencing the first synth. Then Bleass Arp is sequencing the second synth but with Piano Motifs chained before the arp to follow that same key sequence. Rozeta Bassline is then sequencing the bass synth in the same key/scale.

    Super simple example but you can just layer on variety from here with other midi sequencers. Duplicate their instance, make small changes, bring them in and out etc. Hit save and the whole session is saved. No individual presets needing to be saved if you don’t feel like it, and you have one click recall of all the sequences when you re-open the session etc. I really wish developers understood this workflow before making the initial effort to code an iOS music app (and still give the standalone preference as an option so everyone is happy).

    Thank you @gusgranite . You even took the time to screen-capture a setup…
    That’s really nice.

  • @Gavinski said:
    Lottery is my fave

    And mine. I often set it up and let it run while I’m reading or doing stuff around the house. It’s kind of in a class by itself.

  • I bought sqsl Shaper and love it! https://www.seqsual.com/shaper

    Was apprehensive because I think I have a couple old IAA apps with basically the same layout and function.

    I bought this one because I like this developers app design... it was only $4... and I wanted to support the dev.

    However, after playing with it for the weekend... there are a couple of settings that make this unique. You can set up to 16 midi channels and then set sqsl Shaper to "rotate" through the midi channels. Each time you hit a key it rotates/advances to the next midi channel. You can also set some variation in velocity for each key kit, and setting the note delay high, makes for some very cool playing results.

    It helps if the synths on each channel work well together.

    These seemingly simple extra settings, really take this from just another midi controller to wonderful gem!

    I also don't get why people think every app needs to be AUv3. Even if this one was, I think I'd STILL use it outside of the host. To each their own though.... but I don't see how any of this dev's apps actually need to be AUv3 at all.

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