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Sync Issues with OP-XY

bsheairsbsheairs
in Loopy Pro

Hey all! I’ve recently discovered Loopy Pro and am hoping to use it as a way to loop audio out of my OP-XY while I switch to a new project. Though I’m finding strange synchronization issues where recorded audio (using an ext clock) doesn’t line up on auto-playback. I’ve checked that all settings (global and color) are quantized to master. I’m sure I’m doing something wrong. Any tips or recommendations on what to change?

Here’s a demo:

Thanks for your help!

Comments

  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez

    my TE products have been out of sync as of late for some reason, about half a beat off

    Starts on the and of the 1, and 2 and 3 and 4

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @bsheairs said:
    Hey all! I’ve recently discovered Loopy Pro and am hoping to use it as a way to loop audio out of my OP-XY while I switch to a new project. Though I’m finding strange synchronization issues where recorded audio (using an ext clock) doesn’t line up on auto-playback. I’ve checked that all settings (global and color) are quantized to master. I’m sure I’m doing something wrong. Any tips or recommendations on what to change?

    Here’s a demo:

    Thanks for your help!

    Turn off auto loop detection to start with. My guess is that is the issue. Auto Loop Detection isn't really applicable to this sort of use-case.

    Once you have done that turn on loopy's metronome and have the op playing quarter notes while Loopy's transport is running.

    If the two aren't locked tight, adjust the offset. Don't do any recording till the two are tight.

  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez
    edited February 10

    Also in the XY
    Go to the com setting
    Make sure clock is set to in
    Not both on clock
    (and recording is set to receive midi)

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @yellow_eyez said:
    Also in the XY
    Go to the com setting
    Make sure clock is set to in
    Not both on clock
    (and recording is set to receive midi)

    In the video loopy is set to receive the op clock

  • bsheairsbsheairs

    @espiegel123 said:

    @bsheairs said:
    Hey all! I’ve recently discovered Loopy Pro and am hoping to use it as a way to loop audio out of my OP-XY while I switch to a new project. Though I’m finding strange synchronization issues where recorded audio (using an ext clock) doesn’t line up on auto-playback. I’ve checked that all settings (global and color) are quantized to master. I’m sure I’m doing something wrong. Any tips or recommendations on what to change?

    Here’s a demo:

    Thanks for your help!

    Turn off auto loop detection to start with. My guess is that is the issue. Auto Loop Detection isn't really applicable to this sort of use-case.

    Once you have done that turn on loopy's metronome and have the op playing quarter notes while Loopy's transport is running.

    If the two aren't locked tight, adjust the offset. Don't do any recording till the two are tight.

    Made the changes you suggested but no luck getting things sync’d. Though I noticed that when I start the sequence from the XY, the first Loopy Pro metronome tick is in sync, then quickly adjusts to be a half beat off. Any idea what’s causing this? Video:

    Re: XY settings, I have midi clock, notes, and other set as both. Tried just out for all and didn’t seem like any difference. Though happy to try again if I’m misunderstanding something.

  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez
    edited February 10

    @bsheairs said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @bsheairs said:
    Hey all! I’ve recently discovered Loopy Pro and am hoping to use it as a way to loop audio out of my OP-XY while I switch to a new project. Though I’m finding strange synchronization issues where recorded audio (using an ext clock) doesn’t line up on auto-playback. I’ve checked that all settings (global and color) are quantized to master. I’m sure I’m doing something wrong. Any tips or recommendations on what to change?

    Here’s a demo:

    Thanks for your help!

    Turn off auto loop detection to start with. My guess is that is the issue. Auto Loop Detection isn't really applicable to this sort of use-case.

    Once you have done that turn on loopy's metronome and have the op playing quarter notes while Loopy's transport is running.

    If the two aren't locked tight, adjust the offset. Don't do any recording till the two are tight.

    Made the changes you suggested but no luck getting things sync’d. Though I noticed that when I start the sequence from the XY, the first Loopy Pro metronome tick is in sync, then quickly adjusts to be a half beat off. Any idea what’s causing this? Video:

    Re: XY settings, I have midi clock, notes, and other set as both. Tried just out for all and didn’t seem like any difference. Though happy to try again if I’m misunderstanding something.

    Please try another USB C cable
    You are describing almost same issue as I had but different device

    If u got fresh cable try it please

    @espiegel123 in mistyped then
    What I’m saying is : make sure the op-xy only has one way direction of midi

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @bsheairs said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @bsheairs said:
    Hey all! I’ve recently discovered Loopy Pro and am hoping to use it as a way to loop audio out of my OP-XY while I switch to a new project. Though I’m finding strange synchronization issues where recorded audio (using an ext clock) doesn’t line up on auto-playback. I’ve checked that all settings (global and color) are quantized to master. I’m sure I’m doing something wrong. Any tips or recommendations on what to change?

    Here’s a demo:

    Thanks for your help!

    Turn off auto loop detection to start with. My guess is that is the issue. Auto Loop Detection isn't really applicable to this sort of use-case.

    Once you have done that turn on loopy's metronome and have the op playing quarter notes while Loopy's transport is running.

    If the two aren't locked tight, adjust the offset. Don't do any recording till the two are tight.

    Made the changes you suggested but no luck getting things sync’d. Though I noticed that when I start the sequence from the XY, the first Loopy Pro metronome tick is in sync, then quickly adjusts to be a half beat off. Any idea what’s causing this? Video:

    Re: XY settings, I have midi clock, notes, and other set as both. Tried just out for all and didn’t seem like any difference. Though happy to try again if I’m misunderstanding something.

    I don’t understand what you are saying about the midi clock. One device should only send clock and the other receive it. Neither should send and receive.

    If the two metronomes are not locked tight, adjust the offset till they are tight. I am talking about loopy running with no loops. Simply comparing the two metronomes.

  • bsheairsbsheairs

    Tried another cable and same issue. Also set direction of midi as out for all settings just to be safe. Surely is there a setting I’m missing or is this really just a TE quality issue?

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @bsheairs said:
    Tried another cable and same issue. Also set direction of midi as out for all settings just to be safe. Surely is there a setting I’m missing or is this really just a TE quality issue?

    Are you doing as I suggested and turning in the metronome on both devices, starting the OP’s transport and adjusting the offset till the metronomes are locked?

    You have clock out from the op?

    Loopy is set up to use op as the clock source?

    When you start and stop the OP’s transport, does Loopy’s transport start and stop?

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @bsheairs : also reboot both devices if you haven’t

  • bsheairsbsheairs

    @espiegel123 said:

    @bsheairs said:
    Tried another cable and same issue. Also set direction of midi as out for all settings just to be safe. Surely is there a setting I’m missing or is this really just a TE quality issue?

    Are you doing as I suggested and turning in the metronome on both devices, starting the OP’s transport and adjusting the offset till the metronomes are locked?

    You have clock out from the op?

    Loopy is set up to use op as the clock source?

    When you start and stop the OP’s transport, does Loopy’s transport start and stop?

    Rebooted both devices. Clock out from OP, loopy set to receive clock and start/stop transport works. When I adjust offset, it seems like i need more than 120ms. Here’s a video of me trying to make the adjustments:

    Thanks again for both of your help with this.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @bsheairs said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @bsheairs said:
    Tried another cable and same issue. Also set direction of midi as out for all settings just to be safe. Surely is there a setting I’m missing or is this really just a TE quality issue?

    Are you doing as I suggested and turning in the metronome on both devices, starting the OP’s transport and adjusting the offset till the metronomes are locked?

    You have clock out from the op?

    Loopy is set up to use op as the clock source?

    When you start and stop the OP’s transport, does Loopy’s transport start and stop?

    Rebooted both devices. Clock out from OP, loopy set to receive clock and start/stop transport works. When I adjust offset, it seems like i need more than 120ms. Here’s a video of me trying to make the adjustments:

    Thanks again for both of your help with this.

    try stopping between adjustments. Also try negative offsets.

    Also, how exactly are things connected

  • bsheairsbsheairs

    @espiegel123 said:

    @bsheairs said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @bsheairs said:
    Tried another cable and same issue. Also set direction of midi as out for all settings just to be safe. Surely is there a setting I’m missing or is this really just a TE quality issue?

    Are you doing as I suggested and turning in the metronome on both devices, starting the OP’s transport and adjusting the offset till the metronomes are locked?

    You have clock out from the op?

    Loopy is set up to use op as the clock source?

    When you start and stop the OP’s transport, does Loopy’s transport start and stop?

    Rebooted both devices. Clock out from OP, loopy set to receive clock and start/stop transport works. When I adjust offset, it seems like i need more than 120ms. Here’s a video of me trying to make the adjustments:

    Thanks again for both of your help with this.

    try stopping between adjustments. Also try negative offsets.

    Also, how exactly are things connected

    Going negative makes it worse. OP and iPad are connected via USB-C. At this point, do you think it’s an issue with the OP?

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @bsheairs : can you go into control settings and take a screenshot of the settings for the OP and also post screenshots of the synchronization panel and system settings panel?

  • bsheairsbsheairs

    @espiegel123 said:
    @bsheairs : can you go into control settings and take a screenshot of the settings for the OP and also post screenshots of the synchronization panel and system settings panel?

    Here you go. Let me know if there’s anything else you want to see.




  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @bsheairs : please go into the Control Settings panel In loopy pro and find the OP and take a screenshot of its settings

    Also, on the OP can you show its clock menu settings?

  • bsheairsbsheairs
    edited February 10

    @espiegel123 said:
    @bsheairs : please go into the Control Settings panel In loopy pro and find the OP and take a screenshot of its settings

    Also, on the OP can you show its clock menu settings?

    Here you go:

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @bsheairs : this is a big of a head scratcher so far.

    Try the following tests

    TEST 1

    -disconnect the iPad and op
    - shut down the iPad with slide to power off
    - Boot the iPad
    - Launch loopy pro
    - create a new project using loopy pro’s default project
    - In clip settings , scroll to the bottom and tap on Restore Defaults
    - Make sure auto loop detection is off
    - Plug in the opxy
    - in synchronization enable opxy as the clock source
    - Make sure ableton link is off
    - Turn both the loopy and op metronomes
    - Start the op clock running with the metronome on

    Does Loopy Pro show the same tempo as the op?

    How far off are the metronome ticks?

    If you adjust the tempo on the op while the clock is running, does Loopy Pro follow?

    Is there as any change if you turn on enable midi timestamps for the OP in Loopy’s control settings.

    TEST 2
    If the op can follow sync, set the op to follow clock. In loopy, turn off the op as a source and make it a clock destination.

    Set a tempo in loopy pro and press play. Do the metronomes sync?

    TEST 3

    Run a standalone drum machine app such as patterning that can synch to midi clock,

  • bsheairsbsheairs

    @espiegel123 said:
    @bsheairs : this is a big of a head scratcher so far.

    Try the following tests

    TEST 1

    -disconnect the iPad and op
    - shut down the iPad with slide to power off
    - Boot the iPad
    - Launch loopy pro
    - create a new project using loopy pro’s default project
    - In clip settings , scroll to the bottom and tap on Restore Defaults
    - Make sure auto loop detection is off
    - Plug in the opxy
    - in synchronization enable opxy as the clock source
    - Make sure ableton link is off
    - Turn both the loopy and op metronomes
    - Start the op clock running with the metronome on

    Does Loopy Pro show the same tempo as the op?

    How far off are the metronome ticks?

    If you adjust the tempo on the op while the clock is running, does Loopy Pro follow?

    Is there as any change if you turn on enable midi timestamps for the OP in Loopy’s control settings.

    TEST 2
    If the op can follow sync, set the op to follow clock. In loopy, turn off the op as a source and make it a clock destination.

    Set a tempo in loopy pro and press play. Do the metronomes sync?

    TEST 3

    Run a standalone drum machine app such as patterning that can synch to midi clock,

    I wish I were joking at this point, but still no difference after trying test 1 and 2. Do you have a recommendation for a free standalone drum machine app? The only apps I have with Audio Units are Moog apps that don’t have any sequencing features.

    Appreciate your help trying to resolve this. At this point, I think it makes sense to try something other than the OP to see if it’s a problem isolated with the XY

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @bsheairs : have you checked to see if the firmware is up to date on the op?

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    You didn’t mention if loopy followed the tempo when changing it on the OP.

  • bsheairsbsheairs

    @espiegel123 said:
    You didn’t mention if loopy followed the tempo when changing it on the OP.

    Whoops. Yes, Loopy followed the tempo correctly and vica versa with the OP following the tempo when Loopy was the master. Re: firmware, it’s up to date.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @bsheairs : I am trying to find someone with an op-xy to see if they have this problem

  • bsheairsbsheairs

    @espiegel123 I am impressed with your commitment to helping me resolve this. Thank you. I have a friend that has one. Let me ask him to try. Will report back

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