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Recording silence
Hi folks - just trying to understand the recording options here. I'm wanting to record a clip that is 4 bars long in totals, 2 bars of sound (with a clear pulse) then 2 bars of silence. I set the clock options to 4 bars but if I don't play anything in the 3rd and 4th bar it automatically truncates it to 2 bars. If I put something, in the 3rd and 4th bars it gets confused, say a sound on the 1st beat of the 4th bar - even if the 1st 2 bars are clearly played to a strong pulse, which is confusing to me as I have told it to expect a 4 bar recording. Am I missing some setting that is doing this for me? I checked in Clip Settings and 'Auto end Detected Loop' is off. TIA
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Do you have auto-loop detection on?
Ah right - yes - of course. But now it's off it doesn't detect pulse from the 1st 2 bars (of course). Is there a combination of settings that would have it detect the pulse as it does with Auto trim, but not truncate as per the clock setting? (Happy to acknowledge I may be asking too much of the options)
There isn’t a setting that does auto-loop detection but doesn’t trim the loop. Auto-loop detection works by finding what seems like a loop, trims it and then sets the clock based on the loop.
If you practice creating a loop without needing auto-loop detection, you can do it manually.
In your first post, you mention setting the master cycle. In Auto-loop detection, the cycle length is used when auto-loop detection is on and detect loop end is on. You also need to set an approximate tempo. All auto loops are assumed to be full of sound.
Many thanks - that all makes good sense. However, is there a further option required in order to record loops of odd number bar length? With Auto Loop Detection and Detect End of Loop on, and the clock set to 2 or 4 or 8 bars with an approximate tempo also set, the first loop recording automatically stops as expected after the correct number of bars, with the recorded loop then playing back immediately. But if the clock is pre-set to say 3 or 5 bars with an approximate tempo also set, the loop recording doesn't stop after 3 bars as expected, it just continues, and then is truncated to the nearest 2 or 4 or 8 bar loop that it can detect from the material. Sometimes this has part of the recorded audio truncated and sometimes just a part of the silence (say I recorded about 6 ish bars and stopped playing having expected it to stop recording after 5 bars as set in the clock, it then decides that is an 8 bar loop). Apologies for this line of questioning by the way but the ability to preset unusual cycle lengths (not multiples of 2) is key to my decision to fully adopt LP, and thanks for the support this far
PS let me know if it would be better to start a new thread on this point.
@thirdspace : please make a screen recording, upload it to YouTube and share a link
@thirdspace : I had a chance to try it. It looks like odd numbers of measures don’t work with auto loop detection. I’ll let Michael know.
Fwiw, my work flow is to generally record a one or two bar loop (without auto loop detection) to set the tempo. After that recording odd numbers of bars isn’t a problem.
Thanks, much appreciated - it would be great to hear Michael's thoughts on this, and whether it is a glitch/bug or requires a different approach, or something further. My intended workflow would be based on recording an initial 'loop' based on original composition or improvisation (so could be any number of bars long, but a specific known number that isn't necessarily a multiple of 2 eg 31) then add shorter rhythmic loops, or further parts of the same length that might for example harmonise the first part.
Auto-loop detection was intended for a simpler use-case. I’ve reported the issue with odd numbers of bars. Given how tied up Michael is with getting 2.0 finished, I am not sure he’ll have time to post his thoughts about this.
The simplest solution is to slightly adapt your workflow and either record a one-bar loop to set the tempo or use tap tempo to set the tempo and then use one bar record count-in/out for your first “real”.
A more complex workflow is to use the sequencer for recording the first loop. You can drag out a loop of the desired length and arm it using the Immediate start option. You tap the transport to start and stop (or tap the loop to stop) then turn off the sequencer and loop normally.
Here is a quick demo
https://youtube.com/shorts/G6mVhRt2zLo?si=VqLtBC_vE6L7Z0Sl
@espiegel123 Thanks for this - apologies for the slow response. So this is interesting - I tried to set up what you have in the YT video and got quite close. One interesting thing that happens for me is that predetermining loop/region length in the sequencer adds an indicator to the circular loop button when not in sequencer view see image - did you get this? I don't get this if choosing a number of bars in the clock settings.
Also - what settings if any did you have in the clock settings, and are you tapping to start and also stop recording, presumably now based on the 'arm track' setting in the sequencer rather than the clock settings? A bit confusing as there are now two places where settings can be made that might affect how recording takes place?
@thirdspace :
Thanks for the reply. I'm assuming you tapped the transport button exactly at the moment you wanted to start recording? With the third 'arm' option chosen when set to 2 or 4 bars you don't need to do this, but when set to 3 bars (or 5 etc) you do. I guess it is this bit that isn't working for me and also what I would like it to do - that is it auto detects loop lengths that are multiples of 2 but not other lengths. Just a quick reply now but let me know if you want me to send a video explaining the issue as I see it in more detail.
I understand the problem you are having. I am trying to provide ways for you to get your odd-number of bars first loops since what you want to do isn't currently possible. I understand that it doesn't work as you would like to have it.
Since auto loop detection with end detection is not working as you want, I am showing you a method that will let you record a loop with odd bar lengths without a pre-defined tempo. It does require you to accurately trigger the stop. You could use audio threshold detection for the start.
Another thing you can do without the sequencer, is to preset the loop length for your first loop. Turn on audio threshold recording for that loop. You can tap to prime recording. Start making sound then tap to complete the loop.
Great - thanks for clarifying - that all makes very good sense. I note that you have reported the issue - thanks - I look forward to hearing a response on this or seeing a fix in a future version would be even better
Thanks again