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Can I route MIDI from one instance of OCTACHRON to two separate AUv3s in Cubasis?

MistaGMistaG
in Cubasis

I’m using Octachron to write all my rhythms with but for a particular track I want to combine the kick, snare, toms from a kit in isfizz with the hats and other percussion from Drum80.

I thought they’d be a way of routing the MIDI from just one instance of Octachron to both apps - channel 1 to isfizz, 2 to Drum80 but whatever I try I can’t seem to make it work. It’s either one or the other gets triggered, never both. I know I can just use two instances of Octachron but it’s a whole lot easier, tidier and more intuitive to write the patterns in the same place ie. the same single instance of Octachron.

Please tell me I’m being thick and it’s possible. I can get it to work in ApeMatix with no issues

Thanks

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  • cramdogcramdog
    edited February 22

    (EDIT)
    Sorry! I missed the title of this thread.
    I mistakenly described about apeMatrix routing.
    I cannot answer your question.

  • wimwim

    So far I’m having no luck. There is a way to use inter track routing to get midi from a track with a midi AUv3 on it over to other tracks. However, although Cubasis has a midi channel filter on its inputs, it doesn’t work for inter-track routing. All channels are received on the other tracks. I can’t find any way to do filtering per track.

  • wimwim
    edited February 22

    Oh wait. Isfizz can do its own filtering, so it should work. I can’t provide details until a bit later though.

  • wimwim
    edited February 23

    Here's one way to do it:

    • Add an instrument track with no instrument.
    • Add Octachron as a midi fx, and set up the lanes for the midi channels you need.
    • Add two more instrument tracks for your isfizz instances.
    • Under Routing > midi output, tap None and change it to the track with the first isfizz instance
    • In isfizz on the first instance, go to isfizz settings and change midi channel to the one you need
    • In this same track, set MIDI Thru ON under Routing. Also set the output from this track to the 2nd isfizz instance.
    • Set the second isfizz instance settings, change midi channel to the other channel you need
    • ARM both isfizz tracks or you will only hear the one that is currently selected/armed.
  • wimwim
    edited February 23

    The more adventurous and geeky way to do it is to load a single isFizz 16 multi-output version instead, then edit the file in the isfizz editor to add an output=1 statement to the sample that you want to go to a separate output. In this way you don't need separate midi channels in Octachron.

  • MistaGMistaG
    edited February 23

    I appreciate the answers, thanks.

    @wim i think you’ve missed the bit where I’m trying to route to one instance of isfizz and one instance of Drum 80 (the GSi Simmons electric drum app), not two instances of isfizz. I didn’t know about the filtering in isfizz though so your effort isn’t completely wasted on me, it’s always good to learn something new.
    I’m also glad you can’t get the routing in Cubasis to work as it means I’m not being an idiot🤣.
    It all looks like it should work but if Cubasis doesn’t filter “inter-track” it’s a shame. I think I’m going to have to write in one track, copy the midi to both tracks and edit the drums out of one and the cymbals out of the other.

  • wimwim

    @MistaG said:
    I appreciate the answers, thanks.

    @wim i think you’ve missed the bit where I’m trying to route to one instance of isfizz and one instance of Drum 80 (the GSi Simmons electric drum app), not two instances of isfizz. I didn’t know about the filtering in isfizz though so your effort isn’t completely wasted on me, it’s always good to learn something new.
    I’m also glad you can’t get the routing in Cubasis to work as it means I’m not being an idiot🤣.
    It all looks like it should work but if Cubasis doesn’t filter “inter-track” it’s a shame. I think I’m going to have to write in one track, copy the midi to both tracks and edit the drums out of one and the cymbals out of the other.

    Can Drum 80 select which midi channel it listens on?

  • MistaGMistaG

    Yes but it doesn’t seem to make any difference, it seems to play whatever comes out of Octachron regardless of channel setting.
    I’m not going to give up, I hope it is just something like this I’m missing. As I said, I can get it working fine in apeMatrix so I’m assuming it’s Cubasis I’m having the issue with but it all looks like it should work but it doesn’t. I’m usually fine with midi too. I started on Music-X on the Amiga, onto Mac Logic and for the last 8 or so years on the iPad. I’ve had plenty of external hardware along the way and have been able to do what I want with it all. I’ve just got the feeling I’m missing something stupid.

  • rs2000rs2000

    Maybe you need to record the MIDI from Octachron to a track first, so you can choose the track as an input on a different track? Or just use 2 separate Octachrons?

  • MistaGMistaG
    edited February 23

    @rs2000 said:
    Maybe you need to record the MIDI from Octachron to a track first, so you can choose the track as an input on a different track? Or just use 2 separate Octachrons?

    I’m trying to avoid using two separate Octachrons just as it’s simpler, more intuitive etc. to write a pattern in the same place than split over two. I’m just hoping that I can find a way to control two sound sources with one sequencer.

    There are many ways to get round it - your suggestion of recording the output from Octachron is one (and thanks for the suggestion). I could sample the hits out of Drum80 and make a new .sfz for isfizz with the mixed kit. I’m sure there’s others, one of which I may well have to use but my preferred option - the easiest, most intuitive for the way my brain works and my general workflow - would be one Octachron to the two different sound sources

  • wimwim
    edited February 23

    @MistaG said:
    Yes but it doesn’t seem to make any difference, it seems to play whatever comes out of Octachron regardless of channel setting.
    I’m not going to give up, I hope it is just something like this I’m missing. As I said, I can get it working fine in apeMatrix so I’m assuming it’s Cubasis I’m having the issue with but it all looks like it should work but it doesn’t. I’m usually fine with midi too. I started on Music-X on the Amiga, onto Mac Logic and for the last 8 or so years on the iPad. I’ve had plenty of external hardware along the way and have been able to do what I want with it all. I’ve just got the feeling I’m missing something stupid.

    When I was trying this out, I assumed that setting the channel on the instrument tracks in Cubasis's routing settings was needed. When I did that, I got all notes playing on every track. When I set it back to ALL, then the app's filtering kicked in as it should. It seems that the channel selector was not acting like a filter, but a combiner. Or something.

    Anyway, that might be the issue you're having. It was for me.

  • MistaGMistaG

    Well, I’ve got a workaround I’m ok with -

    Track 1 isfizz internally set to receive MIDI channel 1
    On track 1 in the MIDI effects slot is Octachron where all the isfizz hits I want are set to channel 1, Drum80 hits are channel 2
    Route all midi out from track 1 to track 2
    Track 2 - Drum80 internally set to receive channel 2. As this still triggers all sounds I just simply turned the volume down of all the sounds I didn’t want to hear.

    Thanks for the comments, they all helped push to a workable conclusion.

  • wimwim

    @MistaG said:
    Well, I’ve got a workaround I’m ok with -

    Track 1 isfizz internally set to receive MIDI channel 1
    On track 1 in the MIDI effects slot is Octachron where all the isfizz hits I want are set to channel 1, Drum80 hits are channel 2
    Route all midi out from track 1 to track 2
    Track 2 - Drum80 internally set to receive channel 2. As this still triggers all sounds I just simply turned the volume down of all the sounds I didn’t want to hear.

    Thanks for the comments, they all helped push to a workable conclusion.

    I'm curious though. Do you have the Cubasis track output routing set to a specific channel, or to ALL? Because when I had it set to a single channel I got the same behavior you describe, but when I set it to ALL, the plugin channel filtering worked.

  • MistaGMistaG
    edited February 23

    @wim said:

    I'm curious though. Do you have the Cubasis track output routing set to a specific channel, or to ALL? Because when I had it set to a single channel I got the same behavior you describe, but when I set it to ALL, the plugin channel filtering worked.

    I’ve got it set to ALL as for Drum80 it doesn’t seem to make any difference what channel it’s set to, all sounds trigger. Perhaps the issue is with Drum80 then. The channel selection in isfizz works as expected - I set it to channel 1 and it only plays the notes sent on channel 1. Drum80 set to channel 2 plays all notes

  • wimwim

    Thanks for the clarification @MistaG.

  • MistaGMistaG

    Thanks for the brainstorming @wim

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