A hardware version of GeoShred?

Gavinski

@moForte said:

@Gavinski said:

@oldsynthguy said:

@moForte said:

@abf said:
The only hardware I've used that comes close to the Geoshred experience is the Push 3 SA, it has 64 mpe pads that are easy to slide with. The feel and response is very similar to Geoshred, with pressure as well as x-y. Really nice pads.

Does the Push 3 SA support sliding or is it just wiggle. I met with the developer of the Push 3 at NAMM last year and he indicated to me that you can't do pitch fluid slides. Also it has the same limitation as Ableton, only supports MIDI Mode 3, no MIDI Mode 4 so you can't have each row be on the same channel to support legato for plucked string and bowed string physical models.

Don’t know the technical details, but using some of the built-in MPE instruments on my P3 controller feels very similar to Geoshred on an iPad.

A quick AI search provided this:

Yes, the Ableton Push 3 controller supports "sliding" via its MPE (MIDI Polyphonic Expression) capable pads. This feature allows for expressive per-note control by detecting horizontal and vertical finger movements on individual pads.

How it Works

The MPE pads on the Push 3 capture several dimensions of control data for each individual note:

Slide This refers to the vertical (Y-axis) movement on a pad, which can be mapped to control parameters such as timbre (e.g., filter cutoff, wave position). You can adjust the vertical range for slide expression in the settings to avoid accidentally triggering other functions.

Glide (Pitch Bend) This refers to the horizontal (X-axis) movement on a pad, which is typically used for per-note pitch bending and glissandos.

Pressure (Aftertouch) This is the continuous pressure applied after the initial strike, allowing for sustained expressive effects like vibrato.

This contrasts with the Push 2, which only supported monophonic aftertouch and did not have per-pad vertical or horizontal slide capabilities.

Would be very wary of using AI for this kind of thing, answers about music gear and plugins are often wildly inaccurate. Maybe another Push 3 user who's familiar with mpe could comment, @Krupa for example

You know when I met with the HW developer of the P3 at NAMM he told us that the X control was only wiggle (vibrato) and not glissando. Glissando being large pitchbends up to 2 octaves after the noteOn. That is why the MPE standard for pitch bend range is +/-48. Note that a number of MPE controllers support wiggle (x) instead of glissando. The KMI controllers, the Dog Paw, the Equis, the Roli Lumi ... others.

That being said, we did a brain storming session showing him GS and he showing us P3 and it's possible that he invented a way to do glissando. Just to be clear I think that is really hard because each key is a discrete button.

Yes, I also thought the same, how would it be possible?

Krupa

@Gavinski said:

@moForte said:

@Gavinski said:

@oldsynthguy said:

@moForte said:

@abf said:
The only hardware I've used that comes close to the Geoshred experience is the Push 3 SA, it has 64 mpe pads that are easy to slide with. The feel and response is very similar to Geoshred, with pressure as well as x-y. Really nice pads.

Does the Push 3 SA support sliding or is it just wiggle. I met with the developer of the Push 3 at NAMM last year and he indicated to me that you can't do pitch fluid slides. Also it has the same limitation as Ableton, only supports MIDI Mode 3, no MIDI Mode 4 so you can't have each row be on the same channel to support legato for plucked string and bowed string physical models.

Don’t know the technical details, but using some of the built-in MPE instruments on my P3 controller feels very similar to Geoshred on an iPad.

A quick AI search provided this:

Yes, the Ableton Push 3 controller supports "sliding" via its MPE (MIDI Polyphonic Expression) capable pads. This feature allows for expressive per-note control by detecting horizontal and vertical finger movements on individual pads.

How it Works

The MPE pads on the Push 3 capture several dimensions of control data for each individual note:

Slide This refers to the vertical (Y-axis) movement on a pad, which can be mapped to control parameters such as timbre (e.g., filter cutoff, wave position). You can adjust the vertical range for slide expression in the settings to avoid accidentally triggering other functions.

Glide (Pitch Bend) This refers to the horizontal (X-axis) movement on a pad, which is typically used for per-note pitch bending and glissandos.

Pressure (Aftertouch) This is the continuous pressure applied after the initial strike, allowing for sustained expressive effects like vibrato.

This contrasts with the Push 2, which only supported monophonic aftertouch and did not have per-pad vertical or horizontal slide capabilities.

Would be very wary of using AI for this kind of thing, answers about music gear and plugins are often wildly inaccurate. Maybe another Push 3 user who's familiar with mpe could comment, @Krupa for example

You know when I met with the HW developer of the P3 at NAMM he told us that the X control was only wiggle (vibrato) and not glissando. Glissando being large pitchbends up to 2 octaves after the noteOn. That is why the MPE standard for pitch bend range is +/-48. Note that a number of MPE controllers support wiggle (x) instead of glissando. The KMI controllers, the Dog Paw, the Equis, the Roli Lumi ... others.

That being said, we did a brain storming session showing him GS and he showing us P3 and it's possible that he invented a way to do glissando. Just to be clear I think that is really hard because each key is a discrete button.

Yes, I also thought the same, how would it be possible?

Because the pads are set relatively close to one another, as your finger glides sideways there’s enough of a moment that you’re touching two at once; I guess they wrote a routine that detects that and thus the pitch bend effect… it definitely works since day one as it was the first thing I tried when I got it, maybe it’s some trickery that isn’t technically glissando though 🤷‍♂️

catherder

@moForte said:

@catherder said:
I’m not a GeoShredder but I wonder if the Embodme Erae 2 would be suitable:
https://embodme.com/

I have both the Erae touch 1 and 2. There is no real tactile feedback. Like GeoShred it's a visual instrument.

So the Erae controllers are basically like a pressure sensitive touch screen with no haptics ?

abf

@Krupa said:

@Gavinski said:

Yes, I also thought the same, how would it be possible?

Because the pads are set relatively close to one another, as your finger glides sideways there’s enough of a moment that you’re touching two at once; I guess they wrote a routine that detects that and thus the pitch bend effect… it definitely works since day one as it was the first thing I tried when I got it, maybe it’s some trickery that isn’t technically glissando though 🤷‍♂️

I have no idea how it works either, but it does work well. It was a big selling point for me. It's so much fun to play, the hard part for me will be avoiding recording every instrument on every track sliding around from note to note. I should come up with a new genre- Slidestep or Slipcore.
The pads are really gorgeous on the Push 3.

Edit to mention that what GeoShred has that Push 3 doesn't are those amazing instruments. There are very cool synths on the Push but not the realistic physical modeling of GeoShred.